Tom Friedman in an anti-France op-ed in the New York Times argued to replace France with India in the UN Security Council:
Because India is the world’s biggest democracy, the world’s largest Hindu nation and the world’s second-largest Muslim nation, and, quite frankly, India is just so much more serious than France these days.
Now I know it’s popular to bash France in the US and all, but this is not what this post is about. Like a lot of other people in the media, Friedman is a little behind in terms of population data. India is not the “world’s second-largest Muslim nation” nowadays. It used to be for most part from 1972-early 1990s (I think, but any actual data is welcome). Here is the population data for the countries with large Muslim populations from the CIA World Factbook.
| Country | Population | Percentage of Muslims | Muslim Population |
| Indonesia | 231,328,092 | 88.0% | 203,568,721 |
| Pakistan | 147,663,429 | 97.0% | 143,233,526 |
| India | 1,045,845,226 | 12.0% | 125,501,427 |
| Bangladesh | 133,376,684 | 83.0% | 110,702,648 |
| Turkey | 67,308,928 | 99.8% | 67,174,310 |
| Egypt | 70,712,345 | 94.0% | 66,469,604 |
| Iran | 66,622,704 | 99.0% | 65,956,477 |
| Nigeria | 129,934,911 | 50.0% | 64,967,456 |
| Ehtiopia | 67,673,031 | 47.5% | 32,144,690 |
| Morocco | 31,167,783 | 98.7% | 30,762,602 |
UPDATE: Thanks to CalPundit for the link.
Hi friends…..the remaining part of my answer to Joel’s allegation about the Quran being comparable to a book of fables…
Joel I laugh at your attempts to malign ISLAM by quoting from the Quran and changing the words to suit your malicious needs and intentions .You can fool people who don’t know the Quran and apparently that is your main intention…to show Islam in a poor light….However know this very well that Muslims keep a knowledge of their religion and will not be taken into your false claims…
Joel ..you said that Surah 7:148 said that the colden calf jumped out of fire and mooed.What a BIG BIG LIE you have tried to propagate….Take up any contemporary tranliteration of the Quran in the market and you will find that Surah 7:148 says…”And the people of Musa(Moses) made in his absence,out of their ornaments,the image of a calf(for worship).It had a sound(as if it was mooing).Did they not see that it could neither speak to them nor guide them to the way?They took it for worship and they were Zalimun(wrong-doers)”
So the people of Musa made an image of the calf..and not that the calf jumped out of the fire as propagated by Joel…secondly…it did not moo…a sound producing mechanism was attached to it by those people who made it so that it APPEARED to moo.And ALLAH explains this in a very denouncing way that although the calf COULD NEITHER SPEAK nor move hence the people only demonstrated their ignorance in worshipping it….something which idol worshippers do…worship images and idols which can be broken with one kick in the butt!!They seek protection from gods who can’t protect themselves…..what a fantasy!!!
Now Joel goes on to change the word of the Quran in a very cunning manner which is hard to detect but that single change can cause a full change in the meaning!!He quotes the Surah 3:106,107 and says that on Judgement Day,only people WITH white faces will be saved.People WITH black faces will be damned…thus suggesting that The Quran promotes colour apartheid!!What a contradiction!!The religion which has come with a mission of eradicating differences and discrimination on the basis of anything (even discrimination on the basis of religion is not promoted making it unique among all religions) has been accused by an ignorant fool of apartheid!!!.Now my readers can take up any transliteration of Quran and Surah 3:106 would read as……”On the Day(i.e the Day of Ressurection)when some faces will BECOME white and some faces will BECOME black(to them will be said):”Did you reject Faith after accepting it?Then taste the torment (in Hell) for rejecting Faith.” 3:107 continues on the same topic ..”And for those faces who will BECOME white,they will be in ALLAH”S mercy(Paradise),therein they shall dwell forever.”
So actually this verse is related to a very limited number of people who have accepted Islam and consequently left its fold/have failed to remain a Muslim by own faults….Joel has replaced the verb BECOME by the preposition WITH…thus entirely changing the meaning of the verse….the faces of those who commit treachery in religion will become black symbolizing their evil actions…thus it actually refers to people with fair faces….and the good person’s face wil become white and hence it refers to people with black faces(earthly physical appearance).Hence from this Ayaat or verse we get to understand that before ALLAH all that matters is our real actions..not our physical beauty or colour of skin….this is the spirit of Islam…..universal brotherhood without any discrimination…
The question suggested by Joel at the end of his baseless list of ill informed allegations demonstrating his gross ignorance and copy cat attitude..is that when drunkenness and gross immorality is offence according to Islam in this present world how can they be permitted to occur in Heaven…well I don’t find any trace of Immorality in the Heaven described by Islam….please expand what you are really hinting at….However it has occurred in the Quran that wine would be allowed for the residents of Heaven…..on the surface it is really baffling that how can the Quran itself promote wine in the hereafter when at the same time it bans it forcefully on the earth..
Now consider the following …….a child of 5 years plays everyday in his courtyard and his Mother watches while sitting on the door steps….then a day comes when it rains heavily…the child wants to go and play in the courtyard as he is accustomed to ..but his Mother stops him and says “no,not today..its raining” So what is the lesson we get from here??The child is not allowed to do a thing which he can do under better circumstances…
Wine is associated with creating a very soothing influence on the mind of the person who intakes it since it affects the nervous system in a positive way in the short run.So why is such a soothing drink banned by Islam??Since under the influence of wine(or any other liquor) a person tends to lose his senses and thus is more in the risk of being influenced by Satan(since he no more controls himself totally) and likely to commit crimes and mistakes..which he would not have committed had he been in his senses….Thus wine is banned on account of the mischief it can create through a person.The material of wine,that is,the drink itself is not targeted specifically.This is also reflected in the banning of opium or for that matter anything which makes a person lose control of his senses.But in heaven the Evil Satan will no more be associated with the mind of a person..since he would be tasting his punishment alongwith his followers in Hell.With Satan gone…there is no more fear of committing mistakes and crimes…as such wine would be allowed in Heaven.
And lastly…I think Joel you have some problems in your excretory system which is why you keep on asking about how to excrete in Heaven…you claim to study the Quran..have you not come across several verses where ALLAH mentions that the residents of Heaven will have spouses purified?…Azwajun Mutahharatun or Spouses purified is mentioned in a number of verses..e.g Surah 2:25.In Islam a person loses his purity if he excretes through the anus or leaves gas,or vomits or blood/pus flows down from any cut…and in women there is the special case of menstrual releases.Thus your question is answered in the Quran itself…..excretion would not take place in the ways we do it on earth…how it will take place is a subject of controversy and only ALLAH knows that truly.Moreover Heaven is a physical place as I have explained earlier and supported my explanation…..just scroll back to my former posts and you will get your answer.DON’T JUST KEEP REPEATING YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS LIKE A NONSENSE CHILD!
NOTE TO MUSLIMS:YOU MUST HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM,ITS PROPHET AND ITS HOLY BOOK-THE QURAN.OTHERWISE THE EVIL SATAN MANIFESTED IN THE LIKES OF JOEL WILL MAKE ALL ATTEMPTS TO MIS GUIDE YOU.REMEMBER…ALLAH MENTIONS IN THE QURAN THAT BEWARE OF THE EVIL BEING WHO IS THE SWORN ENEMY OF MANKIND WHO WILL ATTACK YOU FROM ALL SIDES AND WITH ALL KINDS OF FALSEHOOD AND TREACHERY.JOEL AND HIS ILK ARE INDEED CANDIDATES OF PITY WHO HAVE FALLEN TO THE EVIL SUGGESTIONS OF SATAN.ALLAH GIVE THEM WISDOM AND MAY THEY RECTIFY THEIR MISTAKES AND REPENT….
Bye for now….I will be back to answer the questions posed by Premajit..they are very pertinent questions whose answers should be known to everyone
Asif alZarq
Hello Joel….I accept your Salaam but sorry I cannot give an answer to you since I am not very sure that by blaspheming with regards to ALLAH and His chosen religion Islam…and denigrating the sayings of His prophet..you attract much of Salaamti of ALLAH……
As soon as I get free from the tasks at hand I will soon be back with all the answers to your claims about the authenticity of The Holy Quran…I have read your posts and I also know about the disastrous biographies of some of the authors of the referrences you have given …I pity that you have quoted from people known for their criminal attitude…
Bye
Asif alZarq
Asif,
Thanks for replying. We’d thought you had flown off to the Quranic “heavens in the clouds” to enjoy a bit of the strip show put on by the houris whores or that you were off to drink wine, milk and honey from the rivers flowing in such mythical heavens.
I look forward to receiving your rational answers supported by hard proofs to all the queries posted by me on this site.
Asif, we’re sick of silly theories – whether taken from the Quran or any other book for that matter.
Anyway, I thought that you’d not have kept us waiting so long in defending the tales of the Quran but here poor me I’ve not got a single reasonable answer till now from you and other ignorant fanatics like you. As for the rational answers and proofs, where are they?
Can you even prove that Adam existed -archeologically, genetically or epigraphically? Yet you believe in such myths and worse.
READ THIS, BOY:
WERE ADAM AND EVE THE FIRST HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH?
The Jews, Christians and Muslims firmly believe that Adam and Eve were the first human beings on earth; in fact, they go to the extent of calling Adam a Prophet, but, ironically, attribute to him all the weaknesses of a mere mortal; in actuality, “Prophet” means the “Supreme Manifestation of the Absolute-Consciousness” upon earth, “Perfection Personified”!
Despite the absence of archaeological, numismatic, epigraphic and/or genetic evidence to corroborate the historicity of this Semitic myth, yet I’ll analyse the Adam-Eve fairy tale from a theoretical perspective:
THe Analysis –
In face of the “literary” evidence furnished by the Bible (Genesis IV, 16-17) which shows Adam’s son Cain going to the land of Nod and marrying a wife there, how can one still believe that Adam-Eve was the first male-female pair on earth?
Now, if Adam and his wife Eve and their progeny were the only human beings around at that time, why did Cain go to the “populated” land of Nod and marry a woman there? Isn’t this a glaring contradiction? From where did the people of Nod arise when the popular belief is that apart from Adam’s spouse and family, the earth was uninhabited? This contradiction shows the fallacy of such a belief.
On the contrary, not just this one paradox demonstrates the hollowness of the claim regarding Adam and Eve as constituting the first human beings on earth, but, there’s another interesting fact, a biological one, that rips apart such baseless theological claims.
Funnily, the biblical Adam and Eve had male progeny, so even from this perspective, one wonders from where did Cain and Abel procure wives for themselves.
From a eugenic angle, it’s a universal law, an eternal fact, that “in-breeding” ends disastrously as the family tree progresses; it goes against the laws of nature to marry and procreate incestuously.
Children of incestuous or intra-gotra marriages, at some point of time or the other, or even in succeeding generations, carry within their genomes faulty genes due to the incest factor that manifest as psycho-vital-physical deformities when taken either collectively or individually as genetic malfunctions.
Though the great Bible mentions that Adam and Eve had two male heirs but, for the sake of argument, assuming that Adam’s children, as the Muslims believe, were both male and female who married among themselves (as they were the only ones on earth at that time apart from their parents), it implies that their offspring were products of an extremely abnormal breed considering that biological siblings, that blood brothers and sisters, were procreating among themselves. This evil or pernicious trend would be repeated in every generation as the family tree enlarged itself through in-breeding of the most intimate kind.
By now, all human beings would have to be necessarily related to each other in the most intimate, abnormal and anti-existential way which would have explicitly shown up as a world population composed “wholly” of lunatics and physically handicapped people; in such an eventuality, wouldn’t Nature have exterminated such an unnatural human race long ago? What God would permit such a perversion – incest – in the name of Truth?
But, our Semites, the so-called “believers”, have made a creed out of such naïve and crude beliefs! And are, in the name of crusades and jihads, imposing their ignorance violently along with many other myths on the so-called “infidels” who spurn such revolting tales!!!
Best Regards,
Joel Pastakia
Dear Joel….
Its so pity that there is a rational and scientific answer to all your foolish querries and which you yourself could have found out had you taken care to really study the Quran and Hadiths and compared them to the modern knowledge available…..But poor boy..you do not have any understanding in any subject whether it be Evolution,Religion or for that matter basic sciences !!
Neither do you keep yourself informed to any depth the subjects you talk about.THUS IT IS EVIDENT THAT NOTHING…I REPEAT ….NOTHING IS OF YOUR OWN STUDY …EVERYTHING IS AN OFFLIFT FROM SOME NAIVE AND NONSENSE WEBSITE…..I have previously asked you to supply me the full list of such idiotic websites who divert people from truth …so that I can contact my local ISP to discuss ways of preventing these non sense from reaching the people at least in my part of the globe.
And secondly I am least interested in defending the story of the marraige of Cain…since it is not found in any Islamic book…perhaps its not known to you that Cain is not even mentioned by name in the Quran!Those kind of man made mistakes are found in the Bible or what is left of it,given so many revisions it suffered at the hands of the Christian religious leaders.And about Evolution…do you know that recently Spencer Wells has redrawn a widely acclaimed theory of evolution and published in a documentary of National Geographic.By analyzing DNA from people in all regions of the world, geneticist Spencer Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 years ago.
Modern humans, he contends, didn’t start their spread across the globe until after that time.
Wells’s take on the origins of modern humans and how they came to populate the rest of the planet is bound to be controversial.
His work adds to an already crowded field of opposing hypotheses proposed by those who seek answers in “stones and bones”—archaeologists and paleoanthropologists—and those who seek them in our blood—population geneticists and molecular biologists.
Over the last decade, major debate on whether early humans evolved in Africa or elsewhere, when they began outward migration, where they went, and whether they interbred with or replaced archaic species has moved out of scientific journals and into the public consciousness.
Wells addresses these issues in a new book, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey, and a National Geographic documentary of the same title. In a straightforward story, he explains how he traced the exodus of modern humans from Africa by analyzing genetic changes in DNA from the y-chromosome.
The use of population genetics and molecular biology in human origins research has been extremely important in helping to resolve a long-running debate on where modern humans first evolved.Wells’s work and that of others confirms the more widely accepted Out of Africa model, which says that all modern humans evolved in Africa and then left in several waves of migration,to all other parts of the world
“Genetic evidence tells us that Homo sapiens are of recent origin and arose in Africa,” said S. Blair Hedges, a molecular biologist at Pennsylvania State University.
“African populations have the most ancient alleles [gene pairs that code for specific traits] and the greatest genetic diversity, which means they’re the oldest,” Hedges explained
Chris Stringer, director of the Human Origins Program at the Natural History Museum in London, said: “The multi-regional model of Homo sapiens evolving globally over a long time scale is certainly dead.”
Wells says there is no genetic evidence that supports the idea of intermixing, and several DNA studies actually argue strongly against it.
In human genetics, Y-chromosomal Adam (Y-mrca) is the patriliniear human most recent common ancestor(mrca) from whom all Y chromosomes in living men are descended. Y-chromosomal Adam is thus the male counterpart of Mitochondrial Eve (the mt-mrca), the matrilinear human most recent common ancestor, from whom all mitochondrial DNA in living humans is descended.
Y-chromosomal Adam probably lived between 60,000 and 90,000 years ago, judging from moleclar clock and genetic marker studies studies. While their descendants certainly became close intimates, Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are separated by at least 30,000 years, or many hundred generations.
However this differences in dates is accounted for by Alison Brooks, a paleoanthropologist at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.
“The dates don’t compare well to the order or the geography of the migration patterns revealed by the fossil record,” said Brooks. “Y-chromosome data give consistently younger dates than other types of genetic data, such as mitochondrial DNA.”
It is conjectured that other males and other females MAY have been living at the time of the so called Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve.But there is no evidence to prove this…some scientists try to prove it by citing that there are may broken links in the human genes…however it may be pointed out that the study of genetics has not been completed to a final stage.There is an overcrowding of theories who agree somewhere and disagree elsewhere.And as time elapses there is newer facts coming to light.
Consider the following………….A six to seven million-year-old skull from northern Chad that shook the world when its discovery was announced in July 2002, may not be what its discoverers’ believe it to be: the oldest known member of the human family. “It is an ape and not a human ancestor,” said Milford Wolpoff, an anthropologist at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
So all these recent theories which come out and many others which will surely follow,in the end…..will conclusiely prove what the Quran says that the first man and woman on earth was Adam and Eve…from whom we all have descended.
NOTE TO JOEL AND HIS ILK:PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE ISLAM WITH CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM…..I HAVE REITERATED MANY TIMES BUT YOU DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALLAH HAS SENT THE QURAN AS A RECTIFICATION OF ALL EARLIER HOLY BOOKS INTO WHICH HUMAN MISINTERPRETATIONS,ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS HAVE CREPT IN.
This post will be continued and I will explain why the marraige between sisters and brothers in the period of Adam and Eve have not produced “lunatics” in present day generations….and that too on the basis of Evolution theories…
Thanks…
Asif alZarq
Hello friends……
This post is devoted to the question that if Adam and Eve were the first persons on Earth then there children multiplied by incestuous relations between brothers and sisters!!
Well in this regard I would like to draw the readers towards an Ayaat or verse of the Holy Quran…Surah 2:286
“Allâh burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned,
and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. “Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall
into error, our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and
Christians); our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and
grant us Forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Maulâ (Patron, Suppor-ter and Protector,
etc.) and give us victory over the disbelieving people.”
In this verse Allah says that man would not be burdened in his duties toward his Lord more than he can bear and this is in respect of man’s prayer that ALLAH spare them of task which exceeds their performance capacity .Perfectly logical!So do you expect that Adam and Eve and their should be given the Quran in its present form and asked to follow each and everything mentioned in it??
Obviously not!..Since this would have been impossible for the cave man Adam and his wife ..who hunted and made their living..on animals..
Hence incestuous relation was not forbidden at that time…its forbidden now since spouses can be chosen from persons other than your brothers and sisters.
Now Joel has questioned that when Eugenics theorize that children of incestuous relations then how can the present day human beings remain free from genetic disorders by and large…they should have perished long before….Well I am sorry to say but I am talking to an ignorant fool that is Joel….HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF SCIENCE WHICH INTERREALTES EACH OF ITS BRANCHES….So the mystery of how the Quranic Adam and Eve reproduced and then their children reproduced among themselves and still the human race has not weakened or perished(on the contrary developed).is now solved when we look at the Theories of Evolution for an answer…..
In his book Journey of man:A genetic odyssey Wells says that a second wave of hominids left Africa around 45,000 years ago, reproduced rapidly, and settled in the Middle East; smaller groups went off to India and China.
Isolated by mountains and the sea for many generations, and exposed to a colder climate and less sunlight than in Africa, the Asian populations became paler over time.
Around 40,000 years ago, as the grip of the Ice Age loosened and temperatures briefly became warmer, humans moved into Central Asia. Amid the bountiful grassy steppes, they multiplied quickly. Around 35,000 years ago, small groups left Central Asia for Europe. Cold temperatures kept them there. Cut off from other groups, these migrants became paler and shorter than their African ancestors.
From there, around 20,000 years ago, another small group of Central Asians moved farther north, into Siberia and the Arctic Circle. To minimize physical exposure to the extreme cold they developed, over many generations, stout trunks, stubby fingers, and short arms and legs.
Finally, around 15,000 years ago, as another Ice Age began to wane, one small clan of Arctic dwellers followed the reindeer herd over the Bering Strait land bridge into North America.Also isolated, they too acquired distinct physical characteristics.
From the above description…which is corroborated by most other scientists with small differences in dates…..its clear that HUMAN BEING CAN CHANGE IN THEIR APPEARANCES AND PHYSICAL STRUCTURE TO ADAPT THEMSELVES TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS
Genetic evidence suggests that all humans alive today, despite their apparent variety, are descended from a very small population, perhaps between 1,000 and 10,000 individuals.And this variance among the characteristics of different races of people is attributed to GENETIC MUTATION.
Thus combining the above theories it can be safely concluded that even if sisters and brothers reproduced during the time of Adam then also it is quite possible for the human gene to have developed and adapted such that the ill effects of the initial relationship would have been completely overcome..
Hope your question has been answered….although my answer has not been directed towards you Joel since I dont like to argue with people who have lost their brains in a “Reverse Genetic Mutation” and are no better than apes.Your rightful place is in the local zoo,not in this forum…wonder if anyone has already informed the zoo authorities abou a human-ape variety!!! My answer has been directed towards the unbiased reader and to clarify the misconceptions you have created in this forum about Islam and to expose their hollowness and to project the glory of Islam..
Asif alZarq
HELLO ALL ….
Few days ago a post in this forum claimed that the QURAN is a copy from a number of sources…Christian,jewish,Hindu etc etc…
Well THE QURAN IS THE WORD OF ALLAH.THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERATIONS IN IT….
Dr.Zakir Naik has very beautifully explained this in his own website http://www.irf.net Anyone can check out the other valuable knowledge that is present there.I am awe struck by the way he gives the logical answers to the nonsensical allegations of idiotic ignorants.
For the purpose of the reader I am reproducing the same over here.I would like to add that I have the full permission of the author of this article to use it….so no worries about copyright violations….
Question
Is it not true that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has copied the Qur’an from the Bible and other jewish sources?
Answer
Many critics allege that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the Qur’an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.
1. MUHUMMAD LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN
Some Pagans accused the Prophet of learning the Qur’an from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qur’an was sufficient to dismiss this charge – the Qur’an says in Surah An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103:
“We know indeed that they say, ‘It is a man that teaches him,’ The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.”
[Al-Qur’an 16:103]
How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qur’an which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qur’an is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare.
2. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA – THE RELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA)
Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur’an.
3. PROPHET’S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qur’an had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism. Several of these Jews and Christians later embraced Islam.
The answer is detailed and will be continued in succeeding posts as the question posed is extremely relevant and detailed analysis and answers are to be presented to clear any stupid misconceptions in this matter and to put an end to this controversy created out of malicious intentions to malign Islam and its Holy Book…AL QURAN…
(To be continued)
Asif alZarq
Friends…
The second post on the topic that The QURAN was copied from external sources…by Dr.Zakir Naik(www.irf.net)
4. THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA
All historical records available show that Muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood:
At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Madinah.
Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Talib on a business trip to Syria.
At the age of 25 he led Khadija’s Caravan to Syria.
It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qur’an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips.
5. LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS
The day-to-day life of the Prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long.
The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them – more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
The enemies of the Prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar – they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians.
It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’an.
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur’an.
6. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE
The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.
Allah testifies Himself in the Qur’an
In Surah Al-Ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48
“And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.”
[Al-Qur’an 29:48]
Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur’an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an ‘Ummi’, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.
Allah reconfirms in the Qur’an in Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 157:
“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel”
The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.
“And the book is delivered to him that is not learned.”
[Isaiah 29:12]
The Qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
7. ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT
The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. – more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. – about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet.
8. SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR’AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE
Similarities between the Qur’an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source – the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.
It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur’an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament.
The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.
If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets.
9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QUR’AN
Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qur’an: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an.
Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh).
Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood (a.s.) i.e. David (pbuh).
Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Isa (A.S.) ie. Jesus (pbuh).
‘Al-Qur’an’, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh).
It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur’an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.
The Qur’an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.
Another name for the Qur’an is the ‘The Furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God.
(To be continued in the final post)
Thanks
Asif alZarq
Hi Friends…
In this concluding post on the important topic of whether the QURAN was copied from external sources such as the Bible…I would like to add the interesting analysis drawn by Dr.Zakir Naik(www.irf.net) amidst scientific considerations..
10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE
If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.
Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.
When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.
Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?
If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.
The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night”.
Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible.
11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO
As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
1948 years between Adam (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh)
Approximately 1800 years between Abraham (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh)
2000 years from Jesus (pbuh) till today
These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.
There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible.
The Qur’an too speaks about Adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the Bible – what the Bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD
The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C.
This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur’anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah.
It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur’an.
13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS
The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur’an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
“This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!”
[Al-Qur’an 10:92]
Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II’s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs’ body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.
This verse of the Qur’an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘The Bible, the Qur’an and Science’, and confessed that the author of the Qur’an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam.
NOTE TO THE MUSLIM:WE HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IN THE CURRENT CONTROVERSY THAT IS BEING ROUTED OUT HERE AND THE WORD OF ALLAH IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE THAT THE QURAN IS A BOOK OF ALLAH AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE SAVED FROM HUMAN ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS
In this regard I would like to quote the following versed ..
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The Qur’an is the Furqaan – ‘the Criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God.
The Qur’an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3
Alif Laam Meem.
(This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt – from the Lord of the Worlds.
Or do they say, ‘He has forged it’? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance.”
[Al-Qur’an 32:1-3]
Thanks all..
Jazakallah Khair..
Asif alZarq
Hi all!
Hope now that when the next allegation is made against the QURAN it would be specifically targeted at the QURAN.I mean to say that when anyone who has doubt about the QURAN’S Guidance then please do not bundle the QURAN,the Torah and the Bible together and levy your charges….since the QURAN is not responsible for the man made mistakes evident in these other Holy texts…
Hope the forum posters will keep my request
Thanks
Asif alZarq
Thanks Asif for your “enlightened” posts,
You’ve become very defensive about ur beliefs. All the posts made recently by u are more book myths – where are the sound reasons and supporting proofs?
You talk glibly about the principle of conservation of matter-energy without realising the implications.
The rationally provable law of conservation does away with the crude Semitic myth of an extra-cosmic God who creates out of nothing.
The dualistic Semitic faiths believe that a God who is apart from the cosmos one day suddenly awoke from his slumber and decided to make a nice cosmos and that he did so out of nothing – Chooo Mantar, Jadoo Tonaa!
With the firmly verifiable principle of conservation of matter, matter is eternal and self-existent; it cannot be created/destroyed. Matter always existed, postulates the principle, sometimes withdrawing into its primal form at the end of a cosmic cycle, only to be re-projected from the infinite seed source at the commencement of the next cosmic cycle.
In such a case, a creator is not necessary as it’d violate the principles of conservation and causality and of unity underlying diversity.
These are all provable facts.
As such, according to the principle of conservation, matter being indestructible (eternal) and self-existent does not need to depend on an extra-cosmic or external power (as if extra-cosmicism is possible!) for its existence.
Matter is self-existent and projects itself or withdraws itself as the cosmic cycles proceed!
So, where arises the need for an extra-cosmic God who’s unlinked with the cosmos but who still manages to create the universes out of nothing ? Out of nothing comes nothing!
Thus, the accurate description of matter-energy being indestructible/eternal and self-existent does away with the crude Semitic idea of creation out of nothing and of naked non-causality!
Cause and effect are in-built in a system. The cosmos is a closed, self-sufficient system that sustains itself on inherent principles of conservation, causality and unity underlying diversity. Add to this the latest pronouncements from the world of Quantum Physics that Consciousness underlies quantum field and you have the replica of mystical thought of Consciousness being the sole reality and of Consciousness as a Force serving as both the material and functional Cause of the universes.
From Unity proceeds the manifestation of the varied cosmos! Now, compare this to the vulgar Quranic idea of an external God who lives somewhere outside the cosmos, who’s unlinked with the cosmos and who yet creates the cosmos and that too out of nothing !
Asif, the principle of conservation, in one mighty blow, pulverises the Semitic hypothesis of an extra-cosmic God who creates out of nothing.
So, before quoting the laws of science, you ought to know the implications. Creation out of nothing is impossible.
Next, your Out-of-Africa claim is just a theory put forward by the fledgling field of genetics. It’s always revising its conjectures drawn from the flimsiest empirical studies about age of the human race, origin of life, speciation, etc.
Genetics cannot determine the basal functional differences among people, it only has discovered the first basics of gene structure and its superficial modes of differential ethnic, qualitative and ordinary functional traits.
NOTE: If, as aver our men of science, a mere 1.6% genetic difference separates the human species from the chimp family, then, how is it that an unbridgeable functional gap exists between the two species? If we’re so genetically close to the apes, then shouldn’t the chimps have almost caught up intellectually and in other functional ways with the human race? The question is what are scientists talking about? Is it a crude structural genetic difference that separates the two species when obviously it cannot mean a functional gap since where abilities are concerned there’s no comparison between the apes and men. Evolutionists are in the dark, as expected. Is genetic combination on the human or any life form level that accounts for intra-species differences a random or guided process?…..
Evolutionists begin their theories from the first protozoan or microrganism that appeared on earth some tens of millions of years ago and then naively assume that something as genomically limited as a micro-organism diverged into varied life forms and gave birth to multi-cellular organisms with complex funtions. Isn’t this assumption a violation of conservation? If the sum total always remains a constant, how can something as genomically limited as a single celled organism have produced something genomically higher than itself? There are so many other ways of demolishing this rotten view.
Above all, who can explain how “inanimate mud” became a sentient form? Can insentience ever produce sentience? Who can expalin the transition from “lifelessness” (mud) to “life” (organism)? By what mechanism did insentient matter produce life?
Since life, emotions, mind and consciousness are non-computational quantities, they cannot be material manifestations; physical/material manifestations (charge, mass, volume, etc) are all computational factors but what about consciousness, mind, life and emotions? What are the principles underlying these non-computational quantities? They can not obviously be physical derivatives being non-computational.
So, now, we are again compelled to go back to the old mystical postulates (that Quantum Physics is now validating) that Consciousness as Force is the supreme material and efficient Cause of the Cosmic Manifestation.
As such, nothing is inanimate, everything is instinct with Consciousness. Experiments like the ones undertaken by J C Bose and the experimental validation of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen proposal on photons endorse the view that matter is instinct with consciousness.
So, the appearance of the species is not a crude organic/physical/random process but is a manifestation of graded conscious forms from the suppressed/subliminal consciousness innate in matter and which serves as the guiding principle/evolutionary lead.
Evolution ought to be redefined as the Evolution of Consciousness through graded physical forms. This makes better sense than considering “inanimate matter” to have suddenly and some-how developed life and that an amoeboidal cell somehow evolved under electrical shocks or by responses to the external environmental and became a higher organism and so on. There’s much more to be dicussed but not now…
THE SILLY SEMITIC IDEA OF AN EXTRA-COSMIC GOD CREATING OUT OF NOTHING AND OF JUMPING DOWN FROM THE SKY AND SHAPING A MAN AND WOMAN WITH HIS HANDS (BUT, HEY, ISN“T GOD FORMLESS? HOW DID HE GROW HANDS?)AND THEN RUNNING BACK TO HIS HOLE IN THE SKY MAKES NO SENSE.
Where is the proof that Adam, Ibrahim, Moosa, etc, existed?
As for in-breeding being valid now but not in the past, you do not know what ur talking.
The laws of nature do not change whimsically and for what purpose is in-breeding/hypogamy not permissible now if they were allowed in the past?
By what mechanism were the ill-effects of in-breeding/hypogamy erased in the past? But now how is it so that hypogamy and in-breeding have such damaging effects on those indulging in such unnatural eugenic practices?
Explain the mechanisms of biology in the past and compare that with the operational bio-psychic laws of today with respect to eugenics. Also say how the laws of eugenics underwent a change that today in-breeding is unnatural unlike in the past.
Don’t come up with some stupid answer like the Quran says so. The Quran is not an authority on any subject. I don’t want silly, superstitious answers of God’s will or his omnipotence also. Give me sensible naswers/proofs with the innate mechanisms involved.
Asif blindly quotes the evolutionists but then he refutes the Darwininan view that humans evolved from apes. How hypocritical.
Obviously, Asif “believes” that God created the universe out of nothing, that heaven is a physical place with rivers/free sex without penises, that God flew down from the sky and manufactured the human race and other species just-like-that and that from one human couple the whole human race sprang up and that screwing one’s own sisters to produce sons/daughters was allowed by Allah in the past but that now it’s forbidden….some-how-or-the-other.
Best Regards,
Joel P
Q) Is it possible for the winged horse Buraq (on which Muhammad flew to the heavens) to have ever existed? How?
PS: If it was a hallucination, we understand. Many such dreams are seen by all of us.
Love, Sanjoy:
Also, if god or allah is extra-cosmic, or from out of this universe, then anything that is out of space and time (i.e universe), is inactive or dead. So, allah must be dead or inactive by this theory
Hi friends..
A good lot of people are here to denounce the Quran as some fictitious copy of other religious texts …and who descibe that Islam attracts lunatics to its bosom…
Well here are a few such “lunatics” throughout the world.Perhaps Joel and his clones would find it interesting what these “lunatics” have to say…
1) Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:
“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”
Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad in some of his books. He has also presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences
2) Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad :
{In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days…}2
{If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones….}3
He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad . Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:
“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad ) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days. Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing … . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”
3) Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:
“Summary: The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”
4) Dr. William W. Hay is a well-known marine scientist. He is Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA. He was formerly the Dean of the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami, Miami, Florida, USA. After a discussion with Professor Hay about the Quran’s mention of recently discovered facts on seas, he said:
“I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.” And when he was asked about the source of the Quran, he replied: “Well, I would think it must be the divine being.”
5) Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:
“In a relatively few aayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.”
6) Dr. Yoshihide Kozai is Professor Emeritus at Tokyo University, Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and was the Director of the National Astronomical Observatory, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. He said:
“I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in [the] Quran, and for us the modern astronomers have been studying very small pieces of the universe. We’ve concentrated our efforts for understanding of [a] very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts [of] the sky without thinking [about the] whole universe. So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.”
7) Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:
“During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran … . From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference … . I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.”
After all these examples we have seen about the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran and all these scientists’ comments on this, let us ask ourselves these questions:
n Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?
n Could this Quran have been authored by Muhammad or by any other human being?
The only possible answer is that this Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.
There was also a comment from one of the clones of the ignorant fool thats Joel…that many intellectuals are leaving Islam.However the reverred persons whom I have quoted above are all now practising muslims and benefitting from the truth of Islam.
A CHALLENGE TO ANYONE WHO TRIES TO MISLEAD OTHERS THAT THE QURAN IS A COPY FROM VEDAS ANS OTHER SUCH BULLSHIT TEXTS…….GIVE US SIMILAR EXAMPLES OF SCIENTIFIC MARVELS REVEALED IN THE QURAN WHICH COULD BE VERIFIED ONLY BY MODERN SCIENTIFIC THEORIES …
OF COURSE THERE IS NO SUCH PARALLEL..
And a hint to someone who commented that I am put on the defensive by their biased misquoted and deliberately misrepresentation of facts…….ISLAM IS THE MOST TOLERANT RELIGION ON EARTH,WHICH IS WHY WE MUSLIMS DO NOT REACT UNLESS YOU OVERREACT WITH FALSEHOOD….
I have answered all your questions….and now I will question you and the unbiased observer will come to conclude that my questions cannot be answered except with the belief that THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER
So check out this week for the volley of questions and fact I will present before all..of course with the knowledge obtained through different personalities,teachers and scholars I have met and last but not the least the Internet….I will quote any source of information other than my own study.
Thanks,
Asif alZarq
“A CHALLENGE TO ANYONE WHO TRIES TO MISLEAD OTHERS THAT THE QURAN IS A COPY FROM VEDAS ANS OTHER SUCH BULLSHIT TEXTS…….GIVE US SIMILAR EXAMPLES OF SCIENTIFIC MARVELS REVEALED IN THE QURAN WHICH COULD BE VERIFIED ONLY BY MODERN SCIENTIFIC THEORIES …
OF COURSE THERE IS NO SUCH PARALLEL..”
dont worry….I will definitely not claim say that quran is a copy of any other religious scripture. Besides who said that over here???. I think none said that.
“ISLAM IS THE MOST TOLERANT RELIGION ON EARTH,WHICH IS WHY WE MUSLIMS DO NOT REACT UNLESS YOU OVERREACT WITH FALSEHOOD….”
muhuahahahaha……..Those who are desperately seeking others to put on a muslim tag are telling that they only “react” and not “act”.
S.Singh….
Plz go bak a few posts back…and you will come across a post by one Joel…who has come up with all the “evidences” that the Quran is a copy from not only Vedas..but also the Bible ..the Jewish scriptures and Zoroastrianism….I was laughing when I read that post full of verifiable falsehoods…..and if you scroll down a bit after that then you will also find another post by me dealing with the same topic in which I have minutely explained how the Quran is a Divine Revealation and not a copy of any other scriptures…the height of ignorance exhibited by Joel is when he claims that Quranic texts are offlifts from the vedas….whereas neither the Prophet(saws) nor his companions ever meet the Hindus during the Prophet’s(saws) lifetime!!!
And I will continue posts relating to this matter…and conclusively prove that the Quran is a Divine Revealation free from all errors encompassing religious texts of other religions…
Thanks
Asif alZarq
S.Singh…
With referrence to what you have claimed……
“muhuahahahaha……..Those who are desperately seeking others to put on a muslim tag are telling that they only “react” and not “act”.”
Can you give me a single instance where Muslims have “acted” first in the present world politics??
All the current wars and conflicts between the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-Kufr…or stated simply between Muslims and non-Muslims….is the result of aggression by non-Muslims on Muslim lands..
I will substantiate my claim with all the necessary examples and not simply state irrationally as you have done Singh.
1)Iraq…..the war continues on Muslim Arab land..Aggressor..American Imperial Army(I loathe to call those bastards upholders of freedom)
2)Afghanistan…..Aggressor…American and NATO combined forces
3)Afghanistan in the 80s…..Aggressor…USSR
4)Chechnya…..Aggressor…Russia
5)Kashmir….Aggressor……India
( I know this is a debatable topic so I am briefly giving the history of Kashmir.
Kashmir though predominantly Muslim,was ruled by a Hindu king…just like Hyderabad and Junagadh(present day Gujarat) who were ruled by Muslim Nawabs although were predominantly Hindu populated.So the Govt of India rejected the claims of these two princely states to join Pakistan on the basis that the population is minly Hindu and thus should logically remain within India.Bogus plebiscites were conducted in Gujarat and the area was secured forcefully with the army.However such a logic was not allowed for Kashmir….and the wish of the Hindu Raja was given supremacy over the resentment of the Muslim subjects who at that time wanted to join Pakistan.What a hypocrisy!!!!!The same Indian government is loathe to conduct even a plebiscite in Kashmir even today to reveal the wishes of the Kashmiris before the world community.Why is this dual treatment??Any explanation??If you claim that Kashmir is so much an “integral” part of India then why are you afraid of a plebiscite there?? )
Anyway I continue with the unending list of instances where the Aggressor is the non-Muslim..
6)Palestine….Aggressor..joint forces of Israel,Europe and America…Jews displaced from all over the world wanted their “Promised Land” and so assumed that they had the right to displace Muslims from Palestine and usurp their territories!It goes on to show what Devil they follow and believe to be God!
7)Bosnia….Aggressor…Christian Serbs on Muslim districts of former Yogoslavia(which have met the same fate as USSR)
8)Lebanon…aggressor..Israel
(You may argue that the present Lebanon war started because Hezbollah captured Israeli soldiers in a cross border raid…however it was again a response to the cross border raids of Israeli forces who snatch Lebanese citizens from the border and throw them into the prison.Hezbollah was just trying to secure the release of these innocent civillians and sought to use the soldiers as a bargaining chip)
SO S.SINGH….AND OTHERS WHO HAVE AN ILLUSION THAT MUSLIMS ALWAYS FORMENT TROUBLE…I ASK YOU ALL…WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT WE HAVE CREATED TROUBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE???
WHO ARE THE MAIN DEAD IN TODAYS WARS??…MUSLIMS
WHO ARE SUFFERING THE LOWEST LIVELIHOOD STANDARDS EVEN AFTER HAVING ENORMOUS NATURAL RESOURCES???…THE MUSLIMS..
OF WHICH COMMUNITY IS MOST OF THE LAND UNDER FOREIGN OCCUPATION???…MUSLIMS
PLEASE USE YOUR BRAINS AND EXPAND YOUR OUTLOOK AND YOU WILL SEE THAT MUSLIMS ARE NEVER THE AGGRESSORS GIVEN THAT CONDITIONS OF PEACE ARE PRESENT….SINCE OUR RELIGION ISLAM MEANS PEACE AND WE PROVE IT BY OUR DEEDS.
ITS ONLY…I REPEAT …ONLY WHEN WE ARE ATTACKED,LOOTED AND RAPED…THEN ONLY WE REACT ..AND EVEN THEN ALSO OUR LEVEL OF RETALIATION IS FAR LOWER THAN THE VIOLENCE PERPETRATED BY OUR AGGRESSORS..
Thanks all..
Muhammad Asif alZarq
Asif,
First answer the question: The Quran says that Buraq was a “winged” horse with a “man’s face” on whose back Muhammad flew into the clouds (heavens). Can this be possible? How?
If it was a hallucination, then we understand.
I once saw a silly dream in which I saw myself riding a flying camel that had the face of a bear and a tongue like a snake. It flew with such great speed over seas, mountains and finally went up into the sky! I woke up with a start and laughed the whole day.
The Quranic story of the flying, human-faced horse (Buraq) falls under the same category of stupid dreams. What say, Asif?
Love, Sanjoy.
Hello friends….
When Joel said that many words in the Islamic context are of Vedic origin….such as the word ALLAH itself…I was a bit astonished.But a little study and I came across the fact that the people of the region of Arabia used the word ALLAH to describe God long back which is proved by the presence of the inscriptions of “ALLAH” in Arabian caves dating back to 3000 years.
This also proves the claims that Islam was always the religion prescribed for humankind.
A little more study and with the guidance of some websites(may ALLAH be pleased with all such people who struggle to spread the truth) I came across the fact that the Puranas and the Vedas all prophecise the coming of Prophet Muhammad(saws)
I will try to share these interesting facts with you all,especially the person who claims to know the Vedas maximum in this forum……and who always seem to talk confusely about supra cosmic affairs…
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Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in Bhavishya Purana
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8.
“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, “I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”
The Prophecy clearly states:
The name of the Prophet as Mohammad.
He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.
Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this
“And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character”
[Al-Qur’an 68:4]|
“Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)”.
[Al-Qur’an 33:21]
He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.
The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy.
Some people may argue that ‘Raja’ Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.
According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:
“The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations.”
The Prophecy states that:
The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.
Arya Dharma is not found in that land.
The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.
The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.
The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.
They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.
He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:
In Surah Al-Baqarah chapter 2 verse 173
In Surah Al-Maidah chapter 5 verse 3
In Surah Al-Anam chapter 6 verse 145
In Surah Al-Nahl chapter 16 verse 115
“Forbidden to you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah”.
They will not purify with grass like the Hindus but by means of sword they will fight their irreligious people.
They will be called musalmaan.
They will be a meat-eating nation.
The eating of herbivorous animals is confirmed by the Qur’an in Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 1 and in Surah Muminun chapter 23 verse 21
According to Bhavishya Purana, Parv – III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23:
“Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc. India is inhabited by Rakshas, Shabor, Bhil and other foolish people. In the land of Malechhas, the followers of the Malechha dharma (Islam) are wise and brave people. All good qualities are found in Musalmaans and all sorts of vices have accumulated in the land of the Aryas. Islam will rule in India and its islands. Having known these facts, O Muni, glorify the name of thy lord”.
The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 33 and in Surah Al Saff chapter 61 verse 9:
“It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)”.
A similar message is given in Surah Fatah chapter 48 verses 28 ending with, “and enough is Allah as a witness”.
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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda
In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:
“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”. Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:
Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.
Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.
Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.
Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.
The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).
The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.
He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, “A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath”.
This mantra gave the Rishi’s name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).
He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.
The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said “in Paradise”. They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).
The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah:
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
[Al-Qur’an 48:29]
This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
2.Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, “Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one.”
This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:
“When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, “This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true.” And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.”
[Al-Qur’an 33:22]
The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.
The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.
The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:
“You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”
The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000
There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah.
An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.
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Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:
The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).
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Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:
“Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28
“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.”
[Al-Qur’an 34:28]
These startling discoveries were made by Dr.Zakir Naik.
A CHALLENGE TO THE HINDUS AND THE BLIND FOLLOWERS OF VEDAS…READ YOUR OWN SCRIPTURES AND YOU WILL FIND THAT WHATEVER TRUTH IS LEFT IN THEM ALL POINTS TOWARDS THE TRUE RELIGION…THAT IS ISLAM…
ALHAMDULILLAH
Jazakhallah Khair..
Muhammad Asif alZarq
Asif,
If the Quran has not copied from Vedic, Judiac, Christian, Greek and other ancient books, then how come almost everything in the Quran can be traced to these sources?
PS: First answer the question on the mythical flying horse Buraq.
Sanjoy Parkar
Asif,
According to Islam, Muhammad is said to have BROKEN the MOON into TWO HALVES and then REJOINED the split parts.
I laughed to read this myth.
Do you really believe that the moon was split into two and then joined again? By what mechanism is such a thing possible? Is there any proof to support such bull shit?
Sanjoy
hahaha….the whole india was hindu / vedic. so telling kashmir being muslim state only will only show the stupidity or even aggression of muslims. You know what, Muslims follow one strategy perfectly. It is called “play the victim” game. Do all bullshit and when retaliation comes, say they are innocent and persecuted through out the world. and as far kashmir goes, was any plebiscite held even when India got divided???…so how come plebiscite should be held now?. Muslims just want to see their religion or put a muslim tag on everyone else, no matter what!. Also, if hindu scriptures are Bullshit, then why say that Muhammad is prophecised in hindu scriptures in the first place?????….It only shows desperation of muslims to convert. and one more crap, if i change my name to a muslim name, then I will go to heaven. This is really idiotic for me.
Muslims always keep telling of so called atrocities being commited on them in bosnia, palestine etc and try to put the blame on the west or others. and, it was the very same west which liberated bosnian muslims. Muslims will only talk about the former one but will neveeer talk about the latter.
Kashmiri pundits were asked to convert or leave or face death and they are now refugees in their place. Muslims will always talk about palestinian people but will neveeer talk about similar events happened to kashmiri pundits commited by their “ummah”. By this ummah logic, if some muslim is hurt, all muslims should fight against it. and also by this logic, if some muslim does any wrong, then other muslims should also be hurt or persecuted. isn’t it?.
Muslims will always talk about positive things said by someone somewhere about their people or faith. But they will neveeer talk about negative things said by someone else. This is actually human nature to do this. But muslims exhibit more of this.
Muslims will always talk about people who are converting to islam but will neveeer talk about people who are leaving islam. Go and check the conversion rates in google to christianity in africa. After beslan incident in russia, 50000 people converted to islam and half a million left islam. Muslims will always talk about the former but will neveeer talk about the latter.
you know what, others should go on converting to islam “peacefully” without showing any hindrance or questioning it. If any hindrance or resistance is shown, then they say they are being persecuted. That’s why islam is called as religion of peace( Better believe it or else…)
If someone says like what joel said, that every religion has got a place or nature keeps in mind that there should always be ‘unity in diversity’, muslims will say that their religion is being attacked/hurt. and if someone says that theirs is the only true religion (due to whatever reason), then they will say that their religion is peacefull and even glorify/propagate what that guy said.ha..
Sorry S.Singh…your data could not be verified to be true….
I have just counted the number of Muslim converts in different non Muslim countries on the basis of the yearly conversion rate and added…the global total comes to around 3,72,000 or a little more…
So your first statement is invalid.And about your second statement please furnish the details where you have got this piece of “information” that half a million muslims have left Islam??Give me the source and then quote…dont just keep guessing with a confused biased mind!
Happy guessing dear….I can understand that these are your unfulfilled dreams as also the dreams of a multitude of fools….but rest assured they would die in your mind when newer realities come out …and the time for these realities of Islam vis a vis the other religions to come to the daylight,has come…..in favour of Islam.So check out your Google sites for more information on the spread of Islam and you will come across the fact that Prince Charles of Wales,UK has converted to Islam..though he publicly does not comment on this.
And I think when Prince Charles declares about his new religion to the world(which is barely months away)then Singh…the opposite will happen what you see in your dreams…millions of disillusioned Christians will soon enter the fold of Islam.
And please stop giving referrences of naked and hungry Africans…What does nations who suffer perpetual poverty and hunger have any interest in the false religions??
The methods of the Christian Missionaries are known to all….their only mission is to get as many converts as possible…Money-for-Christianity..We have them in India also..Did you forget why the Bajrang Dal(Hindu fundamentalist group)activists burn Graham Staines and his family???Singh..these were your people only who perpetreted this villainous act.And now can you still argue that whatever conversion that takes place in Africa to Christianity does so purely based on understanding?Or is it the West’s promise of economic benefits under the guise of United Nations relief agencies which are more luring???
Its noteworthy that many Christian organizations had been stopped from working in Indonesia after the Tsunami since they tried the propagation of Christianity in disguise as relief agencies.
Singh…when you comment..comment with sense otherwise you just make yourself look like a bigger fool than you actually are.
And now come to the Islamic side….do you know that conversion rate to Islam is increasing with a rate of 235 percent annually among the Americans after 9/11???Check out your Google services to confirm.And you will have to agree that its not material gains what is “luring” them into Islam…its the inner peace they get and which you and your ilk are totally blind to!!
And Its obvious ….ALLAH says in Surah Bakarah “As for those who reject faith,it is same whether you warn them or not,they will not believe”.
The greatness of Islam will remain shut from you and your fellows since you have shut your heart and mind from simple logic that even small children could understand.
Try judging with an unbiased attitude…you have nothing to lose by doing so…but a whole treasure to win if ALLAH guides you in your quest for true faith.
Jazakallah Khair
Asif alZarq
Singh,…..
I think you spoke something of Beslan.Too bad..you accuse me of giving half information and you forget your advice yourself??? Ridiculous!!!
What caused Beslan???Have you asked yourself??Have you studied the continuing war in Chechnya??Do you know a drop of History of this Beslan school hostage crises??
When you cite some event give its proper history also…but then why should you provide the full details….people like you try to state half truths..so that the overall meaning is changed.I laugh at your foolish attempts…attempts by which you do not mislead anybody except yourself!!!
I never support killing of innocents….children,men or women…since Islam forbids this by all means.But then when you state that in Beslan some 350 plus Russians were killed by Muslim rebels…you must also state that Beslan is the outcome of Russian continuous and illegal occupation of Islamic lands of Chechens.You must also state that in the first war of Chechnya in 1996 when Russian forces invaded the region and were repulsed,some 50000 civillians were killed.In the second war of Chechnya in 2000,the Russians ultimately defeated the rebels and it again took lives of more than 60000 civillians.In all according to Amnesty International…a minimum of 15000 children died.Now I ask you…which is a bigger catastrophy …186 dead children at Beslan or 15000 dead children in chechnya???
Clearly the ignorants are now silent to my question…
Asif
Singh…
Are you some Punjabi as your name suggests???
As also your comments suggest.Punjabis are famous(whether its true or noy I cannot confirm) for having no brains!!!
The whole India was Hindu/Vedic…..you must be talking of times before Muhammad Ghori.Even though I am not sure of how many people really knew and read about Vedas at that time given that cruel and crafty Brahmins did not let the common person know anything about religion to cement their class position as priests.
And I am talking about times relating to 1947 when India gained Independence not of 1192 when Muhammad Ghori crushed the proud prince of the Hindus,Prithvi Raj Chauhan.and in these 750 years India was no more a Vedic/Hindu.And even today the Hinduism is facing its extinction and worst crises.Prosperous Hindus are leaving the country and using its institutions like IITs,IIMs,BARC,ISB etc like a condom…just to gain acceptance into the western world.The remaining elite and middle class Hindus who are not so fortunate of a Western entrance…are settling for a Westernised life in India itself.And thats why you have foreign companies doing great business in India,gaining a market of one billion people!
The only people who are still in the folds of Hinduism(or Darkness?)are the village people who have the least outlook…which is why they have clung on to whatever they have..that is remained as Hindus as their forefathers.However as the light of Islam spreads to these people very soon they will be liberated from the eternal darkness spread by a corrupt faith for centuries.I am not day dreaming…check out a whole village of 800 Hindus near Chennai converted to Islam en masse on a single day…ALHAMDULILLAH…
Bye
Asif alZarq
SANJOY….
FIRST TELL ME WHICH VERSE IN WHICH SURA SPEAKS OF THE BURAQ BEING A WINGED HORSE WITH A MAN’S FACE?
LETS SEE IF YOU SUCCEED IN THIS SIMPLE TEST WHICH WILL PROVE CONCLUSIVELY THAT WHAT AN EXTENT YOU CAN GO IN SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT ISLAM AND ITS HOLY BOOK…..THE QURAN
I HAVE AN ANSWER READY FOR YOUR QUESTION REGARDING MUHAMMAD’S(saws) ASCENSION TO THE HEAVENS.BUT I PREFER TO FIRST MAKE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU QUOTE FALSE INFORMATION…
I M WAITING EAGERLY TO KNOW WHICH VERSE IN WHICH CHAPTER OF THE QURAN DID YOU FIND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE BURAQ…
Thanks
Asif alZarq
Root causes???….if non-muslims also start talking about root causes, you know how it looks??..it looks something like this.
christians are persecuting muslims because they were asked asked to pay jizya at one stage or even killed. They are kafirs. and hindus are supposed to be dhimmies.There is even one verse in quran which says this
009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html
hundreds of hindu temples were destroyed (eg: somnath)and were also asked to pay jizya. Aurangzeb was the biggest culprit. Remember there is historical evidence for what i am stating. Vijayanagara empire was reduced to rubble. Go to remains of vijayanagar. Sikh gurus were killed just because they didn’t want to convert. Many jain temples were also destroyed. Buddhist universities were destroyed. Infact, islam played a partial role to eliminate buddhism from india. Recently the bamiyan were destroyed. should hindus, christians, buddhists, sikhs, jains etc etc start quoting these incidents as root causes and attack muslims???…how does this look now?. what is Al-anfal???…..should non-muslims start quoting these things as root causes??….kasmiri pundits were kicked out from their own place. shall i say that this is the root cause as to why there were human right violations in kasmir?…i think this could certainly be taken as the main root cause.
you tell me about half baked information, how much do you know about hinduism, buddhism, or any other faith???? I have read quran (not completely though)…outrightly all muslims go on telling that other religions are false and theirs is the only truth. The reason they say for this is “Because the quran says so”. and also all other muslims that i have come across say that only muslims go to heaven and they are the chosen ones. Have muslims questioned this logic?…what is important to God or Some supreme cosmic enegy…a humans conduct or his religion??..which one makes more sense?…..with your “full” knowledge have you ever questioned yourself that whether a man will be judged by his religion or by his conduct???…have you ever questioned whether there will be virgins in heaven with your full knowledge?…is it not a corruption that has come up?…have you ever questioned this?…Even your “scholar” zakir naik says there will hoors for both men and women. If he is your scholar then i cant even imagine about ordinary others. atleast in other faiths, people openly question absurdities of their faiths and do not face any much rebuttal.I myself have openly questioned the absurdies of my birth faith. That is not the case with muslims.
and i dont know how you guys even expect others to convert to your faith when you dont allow your people to go to other faiths. This is nothing but bigotry.
Singh…
You have chosen the wrong ground for the debate.I may not know as much about Hinduism or Buddhism as you but I surely,by the will of ALLAH,know enough of Islam and its Holy Book,Al-Quran to answer your querries and show your allegations to be wrong…
You quoted Surah At-Taubah verse number 29…
“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has
been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth
(i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with
willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Islam holds the view that the message of Islam should reach evrybody….and then after the message is delivered..its the individual responsibility of that person or nation to accept Islam or reject it.Surah Bakarah confirms this ..
2:256 says “There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path.”
But Islam will never tolerate that any hindrance is put in its way of preaching.Precisely this is why the conflict arises.When letters to the Emperors of Rome(at constantinople at that time) and Persia were sent invitations to Islam they rejected Islam’s message and killed teh messengers and stopped the spread of the knowledge and awareness of Islam.Thus Islamic armies were compelled to make war upon these people and ultimately what do we have…?? Millions of people who were ignorant of the Islamic truth were exposed to it and thus Persia and Turkey converted en masse to Islam…similar is the case of the Afghan nation….Then hardest known Islamic elements on the face of earth are the Talibans of Afghanistan..what is the faith of their forefathers???Buddhism…..Yet Buddhism is dead in those lands as well as in India.People realized with the advent of Islam that all other religions are false and henced embraced it.Do you think millions of people who reverted to Islam were forced to do so???”By the sword” as you would like to call it…
.But then a question arises that how can the same people become ardent and strict followers of the same faith which had supposedly subdued them????
Answer me Singh…If Pakistanis had their forefathers as Hindus and they were “forcefully” reverted to Islam,as you would like to see it that way,then how come Pakistan produces great scholars of Islam and a general population who can even die for Islam should the call given for??How come they have become so devout followers ??? some jadoo tona or what??
Search the answers in your heart Singh and you will find that these peole have actually felt that they have been liberated and that is why they have so much love in their heart for the faith that liberated them.Now do you understand hy Islam calls for war upon nations which do not allow the message of Islam to be preached?Its simply because the opponents of Islam will have no basis to stand upon and no ground left once the true message of Islam reaches teh population.This phenomenon have been repeated always since the beginning of the Final Revealation till today.
Just look at the examples from recent history…
When the Britishers took over India from Muslims their missionaries led a campaign of conversion to Christianity among the Indian masses.This made success among the tribal HIndus mostly and the lower class Hindus who were oppressed.But it had a zero percent success among Muslims.Which is why Muslims are so backward in India vis a vis other countries.Muslims did not accept the Church education(which was also modern education) and was thus left behind.The Hindus accepted it wholeheartedly and that is why you will find may many christians with Hindu titles and names.But show me a single Christian with a Muslim title…….All these conclusively proves that Muslims know their faith to be true and hence even under extreme oppression will not deviate from the fold of Islam.
Now come to a different century….the 21st century….the same British Muslim relation is now played out in the United Kingdom now.But now the sun has set not only for the British kingdom but also for the Christianity it has so much enforced.
Christian leaders lament in London and elsewhere that there are greater number of Mosque goers than Church goers…every day reversions to Islam are taking place and the message of Islam is spreading like wildfire notwithstanding some lunatic bombers who created 7/7.Its all over the British media that Prince Charles might have reverted to Islam secretly..just check out BBC oppinion sections and Home section….
So Singh do you find something interesting in this historical comparison?
I am sorry I have digressed from the main topic which is the verse number 29 of Surah At Taubah…
So it is now clear that Islam calls for war upon nations only against those who would not let the message of Islam percolate to its masses.If the regime of a non Muslim country allows the propagation of Islam and the work of Dawaat..or preaching(like in most countries where preaching is not banned including India,US,UK etc..)then this verse does not apply to that situation.Did you get the point Singh?
Now for jiziya….you quote Aurangzeb as taking jiziya from the Hindus…what if I just change the name and say taxes..will it be sufficient to cool your anger?And do you know that Aurangzeb also collected Zakat from the muslims at the rate of 2.5% per annum??Aurangzeb led a theocratic state .How could he collect Zakat from non Muslims??Taxes in Islam are easier on non Muslims than Muslims…do you know that???so Jiziya is nothing but religious tax on non Muslims…its not a tax to Islam..its a tax to the Islamic Government for the basic services it provides to the non Muslims within its territories.Likewise teh Muslims are made to pay up Zakat.So where is the differentiation Singh???
As for the destruction of temples…do you know the fact Singh that Aurangzeb went as far as to protect some of them. eg. Aurangzeb ordered the local officials in Benares to protect the temples and Brahman temple functionaries.
(Ref. Firman ordering mansabdar Abulhasan in Benares dt. Feb. 28, 1659, quoted by the Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Page 689-90, 1911) I have given the source please check out at your leisure.
Singh please do not fall in trap of Sangh Parivar activists who grossly misquotes and lies to divert the Hindu population from truth.The Historical and Archaeological circles are heavily infiltrated by Sangh idealists which is why we have so much of untruths in Indian History….and which is also the reason that Indian Historians command no respect from the world community…
Now come to the last part of the verse in which it is said that the defeated non Muslims should be made to be felt humiliated.Well Singh what is wrong with this???Look to Kashmir….are not the Muslims there made to feel humiliated by the government forces through random detentions,rapes and gang rapes,beatings in jails for no reason,plundering at night and what not both by the BSF and the IDF.That these incidents are true will be proved if you just browse through the pages of any national daily……and even the army top brass accepted that there had been excesses which is why the population has been alienated and supporting the militants….
So now my question to you is why are the forces of government dealing with the general population in such a harsh way?Simple…since Government wants to make these people feel humiliated,subdued and defeated so as to break their will for a rebellion.Isnt it so??If that is not so then why is the POTA unleased there??
Thus ALLAH in the verse you quoted Surah 9:29…means the same to Muslims..that we should take care to remove any threat of rebellion from the conquered people….but wait…how does it do so??By imposing taxes on them which is already existing over the muslim population………..not in the way of the Indian army…the verse doesnt say go an rape their women and make them feel subdues ..it doesnt say that go and loot their property….So Singh where is the problem with this verse which have so much hurt you???
The fact that you have studied Islam with a half heart and that too on the surface…a fact you have acknowledged and which is evident also……..is the main reaosn for your antipathy towards Islam…
May I quote something what my Prophet(saws) has said in the same context?My Beloved Prophet(saws) says that “Whoever harms a Dhimmi ..he harms me”.Can there be any assurances of safety to non Muslims under Islamic rule than this hadith??
And its not only in words but in deeds also…if the Talibans are an embodiment of all evil to you then how come during its regime not a single Sikh has been displaced or killed in Kabul??If they had followed the Indian army’s interpretation of the verse you quoted then they should have wiped outthe entire Sikh community consisting of just 50 families…it wouldnt also have made to the news given that the print media was not allowed into Afghanistan under Talibans in a major way….So why did not the talibans kill these Sikhs and Hindus…killing is in the blood of Muslims is what you would like to claim Singh..then answer my question…There is no answer except that its Islam and only Islam which prevented them from killing innocents.
Singh you have given referrences of a verse of the Quran…I am very glad to know that the message of Islam has reached you and you have taken care to read the Quran..I would like to draw your attention to the following Ayaats or verses in the Quran which also deal with the topic of war..
2:190 “VAnd fight in the Way of Allâh[] those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.”
4:75 “\And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, illtreated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.”
4:94 “O you who believe! When you go (to fight) in the Cause of Allâh, verify (the truth), and say not to anyone who greets you (by embracing Islâm): “You are not a believer”; seeking the perishable goods of the worldly life. There are much more profits and booties with Allâh. Even as he is now, so were you yourselves before till Allâh conferred on you His Favours (i.e. guided you to Islâm), therefore, be cautious in discrimination. Allâh is Ever WellAware of what you do.”
22:39 “Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers), who are fighting them, (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely, Allâh is Able to give them (believers) victory”
16:126” And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allâh), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted.”
Surah Al-Anfal(Singh you had mentioned this Surah by name) says in 8:60 and 8:61
“And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allâh and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allâh does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allâh shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.
But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allâh. Verily, He is the All-
Hearer, the All-Knower.
So the Surah you quoted with allegations of violence being taught in Islam actually states that Muslims are to threaten the non Muslims who are likely to attack them but also that Muslims should refrain from attacking unilaterally if the non Muslims opponents are inclined to peace.
There are numerous places in the Quran where believers are told to refrain from uninstigated violence….So if the Quran asks us to fight in the way of ALLAH against any oppression then why should a problem arise??
Think over these matters also Singh…
Thanks…
Asif alZarq
ASIF:
My basic question is: Is it possible for a horse with wings (Buraq) to have ever existed? Is it possible for Muhammad to have riden the winged horse (with/without a human face) to the heavens in the clouds? If the ride on the winged Buraq was a hallucination/ a bad dream, then I understand. We all see fictional dreams in which winged horses, flying camels and talking pigs appear to us. But, of course stories about flying on winged horses or riding on flying apes belong to the realm of hallucinations or fiction.
Next, was it possible for the moon to have been split by Muhammad? How?
OTHER ABSURDITIES:
1. The ants, upon seeing Solomon and his army arriving in their valley (and by implication recognizing who he was), talk among themselves to flee underground so as not to be crushed (sura 27:18).
2.Sulaiman/Solomon was taught the speech of birds (sura 27:16) and the speech of ants (sura 27:18-19). In his battles, he used birds extensively to drop clay bricks on Abrah’s army (sura 105:3-4), and marched them in military parades (sura 27:17). He also used them to bring him messages of powerful queens (sura 27:20-27).
3.. Sura 18:9-25 tells the story of some youths (the exact number is debated) and a dog who sleep for 309 years with their eyes open and their ears closed
Answer first the questions on: Muhammad’s journey into the sky on the flying horse Buraq, how is it possible for a winged horse to exist and then how did Muhammad manage to split the moon. Give sound reasons and proofs to supoort your answers. If they were hallucinations, we understand.
Love, Sanjoy:
Hey Asif,
Simply answer Sanjoy’s queries (giving valid reasons and hard evidences in suppport).
I repeat Sanjoy’s questions:
Q) Is it possible for the winged horse Buraq to have ever existed? How?
Q) Do you believe that Muhammad really rode the winged/flying horse Buraq? How?
Q) Do you believe that Muhammad really split the moon? How?
Q) How come all the contents of the Quran are to be found word for word in far older books (Vedic, Judaic, Greek, Egyptian,Chinese, etc)?
We all see bizarre HALLUCINATIONS or SILLY DREAMS in which we routinely see bald apes with wings, bisexual horses that talk and fly, ants that weep among other myths that appear to the fuzzy mind of the HALLUCINATOR or DREAMER.
Now, get down to the task of answering the above queries.
PS: We have dozens of such queries lined up for you. Till now you’ve neither convincingly answered nor provided clinching proof in support of any of your silly religious beliefs.
Regards,
Joel Pastakia
Hey Asif,
Simply answer my queries (giving valid reasons and hard evidences in suppport).
I repeat the questions:
Q) Is it possible for the winged horse Buraq to have ever existed? How?
Q) Do you believe that Muhammad really rode the winged/flying horse Buraq? How?
Q) Do you believe that Muhammad really split the moon? How?
Q) How come all the contents of the Quran are to be found word for word in far older books (Vedic, Judaic, Greek, Egyptian,Chinese, etc)?
We all see bizarre HALLUCINATIONS or SILLY DREAMS in which we routinely see bald apes with wings, bisexual horses that talk and fly, ants that weep among other myths that appear to the fuzzy mind of the HALLUCINATOR or DREAMER.
Now, get down to the task of answering the above queries.
PS: We have dozens of such queries lined up for you. Till now you’ve neither convincingly answered nor provided clinching proof in support of any of your silly religious beliefs.
Love, Sanjoy
ASIF,
Can this be true?
The story found in Sura 7:171 of Allah lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law?
PS: Also tell us if it’s possible for Buraq – a horse with wings – to have ever existed? How did Muhammad break the moon? Give us sound logic and hard proofs to support this bullshit found in the Quran.
We’re eagerly waiting for answers that will “prove” to the world that a winged horse (Buraq) existed and that the moon was split by Muhammad !!!!! The Holy Quran truly preaches truth !!! Let’s find out. Alright?
We have dozens more questions for the “Holy Quran” and for you.
We’re waiting for your rational answers and supporting proofs.
Sanjoy Parkar
Mr Asif,
Did Muhammad really RIDE A HORSE WITH WINGS (BURAQ) and did Muhammad really SPLIT THE MOON and did Allah really THREATEN THE JEWS BY PICKING UP A MOUNTAIN TO CRUSH THEM?
Do you buy this bull shit and crap from the Quran?
Prabha
By the way, where’s that cheat called Real Yashendra (Rai Yashendra Prasad)? He says he left ZEE TV 8 years ago – that’s because he got kicked out for stealing. Anyone can confirm his habits of cheating many people and then running away to escape the consequences.
Asif, please tell me how could Muhammad ride on a horse with wings? How did Muhammad break the moon and repair it? How did Allah pick up a hill to throw it on the Jews?
Please give me proofs. I want to glorify the TRUTHS in the Quran.
Prabha, Sanjoy.
It has been confirmed by Wikipedia that India has the world’s 2nd largest Muslim population.
Just check out the site and type “Islam by country”. You will see India has 174 Million muslims, more than the population of Pakistan itself.
Dear Mr. Arup Isaacs ( alias Prabha, Sunjoy, Pastakia & some other guises),
I am here. Do not worry. Concentrate on the topic. No need for u to be preoccupied so much about me. Relax. Enjoy the discussion. Wish u the best. And lots of love, as always.
Rai Yashendra Prasad
Hi Rai Yashendra,
How many more people have u looted till now? What about Inspector Shetye? Is he still after you? What about those fake cash receipts running into how many tens of thousands u made in order to fool Zee Tv until you got kicked out? What about the money from the ashrams u stole/embezzled to finance ur fun? Hey, where r u hiding? At Gokul View (6th floor, Thakur Complex, Kandivili – East)? Why lie that u left Gokul View when u’re still there? Is it to escape those who are after u? How r your friends from Uma Bharti’s camp? Still have Prophet Muhammad’s photo with u? What are u next planning? Theft? Embezzlements? Espionage? Pls return the money to all those whose cash you’ve stolen. Au Revoir.
Love to The Crook and the Empty Head,
sanjoy.
As ususal Eid Mubarak to Asif and other Muslims:
It’s reasonable to assusme that India has 174 million Muslims, more than what the India census reveals. It won’t surprise me if the actual number is higher or near about the figure quoted. By the way, I have heard that Wikipedia is a pro-Muslim site. dunno whether this is true. but at least where the population of Indian Muslims is concerned, the number is definitely not 130 or 140 millions but higher.
On the occasion of Eid when the Quran was sent down to earth by Jibril (?), I once again wish to clarify these myths: 1) How did Muhammad break and repair the moon?, 2) How did Buraq, the horse, have wings? 3) Is it true that Allah picked up a hill and threatened to hurl it on the Jews if they did not fall at his feet?
I have 25 more serious myths from Quran lined up for the “Momins” to answer in order to prove that the Glorious Quran is true and not a fake.
LOTS OF LOVE: Prabha G
Hello Arup K Isaacs ( alias Prabha !!, Sunjoy, pastakia etc)
I was here, am here and will be here.
As always.
Among all ur identities, I like the name “Prabha”. So sweet!
Rai Yashendra Prasad
BURSTING ANOTHER TALL CLAIM OF THE QURAN:Al Aqsa Masjid:
Muslims are absolutely certain that Allah revealed Quran through his angel Gabriel to Muhammad and nothing of that is changed. Never mind the fact that angels, hobgobblins and pink elephants exist only in myths or hallucinations.
Let us put this claim to the test. There is a hadith that reports a fable that Muhammad, one night, rode on Buraq, a winged horse, that flew him from Masjidu’lHaram to Msjidu’l Aqsa (in Jerusalem) and from there to the seventh heaven in the sky where he was shown the hells and the paradises and then taken to the presence of Allah. This story that is commonly accepted by All the Muslims and is known as Mi’raj is also repeated in the Quran:
Glory to (Allah)
Who did take His Servant for a journey by night,
From the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque.
— Quran 17:1
Here we are not going to question the absurdity of such trip.
Considering that it would take the light (fastest thing in the universe) 8 years to make a round trip to the closest solar system, and 30 billion years to the outskirts of the known universe, and considering that “horse wings” (?) don’t exist or that normal wings don’t function beyond the atmosphere of the Earth, so naturally such trip performed on the back of a horse with wings in one night is just stuff of the fables.
If Muhammad could travel from Medina to the presence of Allah, riding on a winged pony, and come back in one night, then Allah’s palace must be not much far from Medina. I wonder how come no one has found it yet?
We are not also going to ask whether the gate of the heaven is in Jerusalem? Why Muhammad had to go to Masjidul’ Aqsa in order to go to heaven?
The biggest problem with this story is that the Masjid’ul Aqsa “Farthest Mosque” was built after the death of Muhammad.
When Omar conquered Jerusalem he performed a prayer in the site where Temple of Solomon used to stand. The Romans in 70 A.D destroyed that temple. Since then no temple, church or mosque stood on that spot. It was Calif ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan who built the Dome of the Rock around 691 A.D. i.e 72 years after Hijrah. And Masjidu’l Aqsa was built on the Temple Mount by the end of the 7th century. This is reported in The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, 1989, p. 46 and 102.
Muhammad’s alleged Mi’raj took place around the year 622. At that time Jerusalem was in the hands of the Christians. There were no Muslims living there and certainly there was no Mosque in Jerusalem. 53 years after the death of Muhammad, Muslims built the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa on the site where Solomon had his temple
This makes one wonder that perhaps, just like the Bible, Quran was also written, manipulated and “enriched” years after its author passed away, permitting the fables that were constructed around Muhammad after his death to creep into his book.
Whoever has been the author of the verse 17:1, was not aware that Masjid ul Aqsa did not exist during the time of Muhammad and he could not have made his trip to “heaven” from a place that did not exist.
This, is an obvious blunder of those who compiled Quran so much so that many Islamic scholars, including Yusuf Ali are of the opinion that by Masjid’u’ Aqsa, it is intended the SITE of the building and not the actual building.
This apologetic line could have been a way out of the dilemma if it was not for the following Hadith, which unequivocally asserts that Masjid’ul Aqsa was an actual building which existed in the time of Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 636:
Narrated Abu Dhaar:
I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Which mosque was built first?” He replied, “Al-Masjid-ul-Haram.” I asked, “Which (was built) next?” He replied, “Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem).” I asked, “What was the period in between them?” He replied, “Forty (years).” He then added, “Wherever the time for the prayer comes upon you, perform the prayer, for all the earth is a place of worshipping for you.”
Muslims could bring the excuse that “Masjid’ means any place of worship (sojda), that is why the prophet refers to the temple of Solomon as Masjid. In that case, all churches, synagogues and the Zoroastrian Ateshkadehs are Masjids. During the time of Muhammad there were many such “Masjids” built in cities much farther than Jerusalem. (i.e farthest from Mecca or Medina) and the Masjid’ul Aqsa actually was not the farthest mosque.
This hadith presents yet another problem. Masjid’ul Haram (Ka’ba – in Sanskrit Kaaba means Shiva Temple having Shiva Linga Stone) was allegedly built by Ibrahim (In Sanskrit, Ibrahim from Brahma means creator). He supposedly lived about 2000 BC and the Temple of Solomon (the site of the Msjid ul’Aqsa) was built about 958-951 BC. There is a gap of about over 1040 years between the dates of the construction of the two buildings. His holiness Jibril’s mistake was a mere one thousand years !!!!
PS: How can a horse grow wings? How did Muhammad break the moon? How did Allah pick a mountain to throw down on the blasphemous Jews?
Have Fun Guys and Dolls reading books preaching myths:
Sanjoy Parkar
Glory to (Allah)
Who did take His Servant for a journey by night,
From the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque.
– Quran 17:1
Dear Friends,
Let me put forward a saying of a great Seer of India, Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandraji (1889-1969), which throws light on Miraj and the greatness of Prophet Mohammad. To understand things like Miraj one needs great spiritual depth. Please read the saying below:
“My benign Lord,
Embodied Friend of God to me !
I do not understand anything,
the pride of knowledge by Your grace
has been made impossible for me ;
my only hope is the illumination of perception
born of Your grace ;
I am foolish and helpless,
so, though I am unaware of it,
Your grace inundates my heart.
I am ignorant I do not understand what is
meant by ‘Miraj’ *, [ spiritual night journey of Prophet Mohammad ]
the meaning of Miraj is not within my
comprehension ;
my only possession is Your gracious attitude
towards my negligible self ;
without faith in this and reliance on this,
without the emergence of an understanding
that completely leans on this,
how shall I speak of You ?
I do not know how, but I think
the more aversion towards the world seized You
the more the thirst for God
became overflowing in You with an adherence-inducing agile move ;
the pursuit of that exuberant overflow
made You dispassionate
toward the passionate crave of the world ;
the more You became indomitable in Your
love for God,
the more the attachment to the world
began to leave You.
When the overflowing fountain
of that ardent maddening urge
began to stir up the vibrations of your heart’ as You went on saying,
“Khoda, Khoda…”
You could not stay quiet,
You proceeded on a pleasantly vigilant
night journey
towards that temple of Jerusalem ;
so far as I have heard
this journey
throbbing with exuberant love
is called ‘Azra’ or ‘Ezra’
by holy and devoted great persons.
You thought that You would loose yourself .
completely
lying on the lap, effulgent with love,
of the most gracious Supreme Being,
constantly calling, “Khoda” ;
sitting on a square stone,
You became absorbed
in the internal repetition of the name, Khoda
with irresistible attachment ;
His loving emotion gradually began to overpower
and flood Your inner being ;
that ardent exuberant loving active absorption—
that loving urge dwelling in Your heart—
assumed different forms and in the course of doing so
made the form of a horse appear ;
it was as bright as lightning with power, progressive go,
and an existential glow—
effecting the appearance of the
Messenger of God ;
You, the Friend of God, rode on it ;
You did not leave it despite many a rise and fall;
the slab of stone was placed on its back ;
the horse had two wings and four legs and could fly in the ether,
and its face was beautiful and bright like that of a woman—
I call it libido* [ * Libido=Surat ]
and often I call it exalting love ;
some call it Rooh** ; [* * Rooh=the Spirit]
Thus when You came in contact with God,
penetrating the lunar region,
when His loving condescension embraced You,
when His dictates became luminous like stars
in Your mental horizon,
You realized that He is like You.
You are the Prophet, the Friend of God,
the manifested Lord,
the hallowed Embodiment
dwelling in the bosom of God in blissful
communion.
I think—saints and great men
described Your upward sojourn as Miraj.
Paying obeisance to God, You became conscious
on the face of the earth,
strong in Your discovery of exaltation ;
You communicated to Him the woes of mankind
to Your heart’s content.
You are the Stay of existential uphold ;
You have spared no pains to do
whatever was needful
to exalt the being and becoming of men.
You have had the experience of Miraj many a time,
and You have gained the nectar of
inspiration from God accordingly ;
and You have left no stones unturned
to distribute that to every
individual of the world
through the glow of language, behaviour
and loving existential effort.
My benign Lord !
I do not know, I do not understand.
You are the Prophet of the world,
the inspired embodied Friend of God—
the all-fulfilling Nurturer
of specific characteristics,
the Supreme Regulator of time,
space and Individuals ;
You are a holy symbol of all .past Prophets,
and all past Prophets are Your
sacred manifestations.
This is my insignificant conception—
I do not know whether it will lead
to the welfare of all,
providing real inspiration,
but it is certain that
however insignificant I may be,
whether I can express Your
inspiration exactly or not,
You will surely correct it ;
You will see that-it does not cause any detriment
in any way
and that no one becomes deluded
by a blundering conception.
I have spoken here
as I have been -moved by the question of people
and that in the way
Your grace has unfolded my vision.
Oh benign Lord !
Forgive me, grant my existential prayer,
do make my loving prayer pure,
make my constancy of service exuberant
so that I may advance towards Him
with all I have
by following You properly.
May I declare with an open heart—
in all beings, in every being,
in whatever lies inherent in the
past and the future,
the inspiration of God
exists unfailingly everywhere.
Let all of you live, grow, attain all-round becoming,
enjoy the Prophet, being long-lived—
and bedewed with immortality.
I do not understand anything else, I do not know anything else ;
I am offering before You
the pristine outpouring of dirty human nature
Please bear me, please move holding on to me,
please render me exuberant
in love for knowledge,
making me persevering ;
and this supplication and prayer of mine
is for every individual of the world—
let none in the world be deprived.”
– Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra ji
(Source- “Tapo-Bidhayana”, Vol. II, 235 )
Contributed by- Yashendra ( real)
Friends,
Every one with a little intelligence knows that Muhammad’s “Miraj” or “Ascent” was a deep “mystical” experience that took place on the subtler planes of consciousness.
But, the difficulty this occult explanation poses for those who are opposed to things mystical is that none of the Semitic books make a single mention of Consciousness and its gradations, powers, phenomena, etc. Why, even the word Consciousness is not to be found in the Quran, Injeel, Zaboor, etc.
Thus, orthodox Muslims look upon Miraj as Muhammad’s dream-flight, on Buraq, under the supervision of Jibril, to the heavens or by taking it in the msot literal sense most Muslims believe that the ascent on the winged pony actually took place physically! None will say that it was a yogic/mystical experience. At most, it’ll be conceded that thoughn it was a mystical expereince, it was conferred on Muhammad by Allah.
Mystically speaking, the winged horse, Buraq, symbolizes a yogic ascent into the higher planes of Consciousness (Heavens). The horse is a well-known Vedic, Mystical, Occult metaphor for specific supra-sensory phenomena of the ascending kind…
Another interesting point is that the rigid Muslim will never admit that the Miraj or such mystical ascents have always been undertaken by “spiritually gifted” individuals and can be experienced even till the present by certain spiritual persons or yogis.
Besides, while the Miraj stops at the 7th plane of Cosmic Consciousness or Heaven, which is supposed, as narrated by the Quran, to be the abode of Allah, yogic experiences can go further, beyond the 7th plane of consciousness or heaven; the yogi can exceed (during the ascending phase of yoga) the 7th heaven and can even reach the 15th or higher heavens/planes of consciousness.
Now, will Asif accept this explanation? No.
A Muslim bigot will not accept the view that every spiritually gifted individual of any religion can easily reach the 7th heaven like Muhammad and go beyond. This would be a blasphemy to the Muslim who’d think: 1)How would it would be posible for the yogis to reach the same heaven (7th) as Muhammad and 2) that by going beyond the 7th heaven, the abode of Allah would be exceeded ! But, according to the Quran, there exists nothing higher than Allah and His 7th heaven, thus it would be the biggest blasphemy for a Muslim to even think that heavens higher than the 7th heaven can exist.
Now, the spiritual literature of Sri Sri Anukul Chandra Thakurji is relatively modern (20th century). According to it:
1) The present Quran is a corrupted form of the original;
2) Muhammad was not the last Prophet;
3)Sri Sri Chaitanya was the Prophet who followed Muhammad; Ramkrishna Paramhans was the Prophet who succeeded Sri Sri Chaitanya; that He Himself was the Prophet after Ramkrishna; and that His own grandson would be the Prophet after Him (Kalki Avataar).
4)The yogis can go beyond the 7th plane of Consciousness (Heaven) during deep trances;
5) Allah is a Sanskrit word found in Atharva Veda;
6) The need to “ascend” to reach the heavens can be replaced or accompanied by the superior process of drawing down the heavens and their innate powers into the body of the yogi and establishing their presence on earth.
The Quran does not speak of Consciousness, planes of Consciousness, Prophets after Muhammad, etc.
The Arabic word in Quran used for Muhammad’s Prophethood is “Khatem” (finished, seal, last) but Sri Sri Thakurji insisted that the word ought to have been “Khatemool” (summation/consumation/fulfiller of Prophets who went before Muhamamd). So, by this reasoning, Muhammad was not the last Prophet and that Sri Sri Chaitanya was the Prophet who followed Muhamamd and so on….
Which Muslim will accept all of the above “exotic” explanations?
Love, Sanjoy.
Another point to note about Sri Sri Anukul Chandra Thakurji’s literature is that apart from insisting that Muhammad was not the last Prophet and that Chaitanya, Ramkrishna, Himself and His own grandson (Kalki) were the Prophets after Muhammad, it is also said that thehProphets are to be worshipped as God on earth
According to the logic of the Quran, Muhammad was simply chosen by Allah to be His messenger. No where in the Quran is it said that Muhammad was God and had to be worshipped.
These are some of the fundamental differences in the interpretation of Miraj, Prophethood, Continuation of Prophethood, Prophet as God, etc.
Sanjoy:
Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra ji has NEVER said that ” The present Quran is a corrupted form of the original”.
Lets understand what Quran says. It stands on its own testimony. Does not require any outer support.
To the devotee, it will effulge itself.
And, lets look at the marvellous way Sri Sri Thakurji speaks of Quran and the truth of Miraj !! Thats is the way to talk about Quran and Prophet Mohammad. Not in the language many people are indulging in. To them Quran will remain as unintelligle as a book is to a buffalo. Lets learn from Sri Sri Thakurji.
Yashendra (Real)
The following 2 statements will clearly reveal what Sri Thakurji thought of the present version of the Quran:
Thakurji clearly said that (1)Muhammad was not the last prophet, (2)Thakurji also stated that prophet was God (Allah) and had to be worshipped.
Sri Thakurji considered Chaitanya, Ramkrishna Paramhans, Himself and His grandson (Kalki) as the prophets who followed Muhammad.
Does Asif agree with the above views?
If yes, then, Asif, you’ll have to go down on your knees worshipping Muhammad as God and denying the finality of Muhammad’s prophethood. You’ll have to also consider Chaitanya, Ramkrishna, Thakurji and his grandson as the prophets who came after Muhammad.
Asif, reform yourself by accepting the above conditions put forth by Thakurji and become a “true Muslim”. What say, Asif?
Sanjoy:
Asif,
Rai Yashendra wants you to learn true worship and develop a sound understnading of the Quran as interpreted by Sri Thakurji.
So, Asif, by following Thakurji, as Rai Yashendra desires, would you accept the following?
1) Worship Muhammad as Allah,
2) Deny that Muhammad was the last prophet,
3) Accept Chaitanya, Ramkrishna, Thakurji, Thakurji’s grandson as prophets who came after Muhammad,
4) Reject circumcision as Thakurji strictly forbids this “unnatural” practice,
5) Deny that Adam and Eve were the first humanbeings (Hey, but doesn’t the Quran state that Adam was the first prophet?). But, according to Sri Thakurji, there arose several Adam-Eve pairs or Man-Woman pairs on earth in the beginning.
6) Accept the hard fact that yogis can have experiences similar to Muhammad’s Miraj or better than Miraj as the yogis can exceed the 7th heaven during trances,
7) Consider yourself as Allah (Sri Thakurji teaches Vedantic monism that the human Self is identical to the Supreme Self),
8) Accept the caste system based on genetic distinctiveness.
You’ll have to, as the Manu Smiriti and Thakurji taught, accept the 4 basic human castes – Brahmins, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shuddra. Do you know which caste and gotra you belong to? In all probability, you’ll discover that you don’t belong to any pure caste since your ancestors must have surely discarded the Aryan caste system long ago and indulged in cross-caste marriages of the abnormal kind leading to hypogamy and in-breeding that Sri Thakurji strictly warns against. According to this philosophy, those born of hypogamous and/or in-bred wedlock will be killed in the Destruction that precedes the coming of the Golden Age. So, Muslims, being hypogamous and in-bred, be prepared to get destroyed in natural calamities during the destruction of evil.
But, hey, no where in the Quran is caste even remotely mentioned.
In fact, the Quran advices “believers” to only enter into matrimony with other Muslims or people of the Book (Jews/Christians).
Following the advice of the Quran, by now almost the whole Muslim community must have entered into unions of the hypogamopus and incest kind and must have destroyed their pure genetic/caste lineage.
In one place, on being questioned, Thakurji emphatically states that the Muslims have badly degenerated due to hypogamy and in-breeding since they do not marry along caste and gotra lines.
So, Asif, better adopt the philosophy of caste despite the fact that the Quran does not teach caste or forbid hypogamy and in-breeding.
NOTE: Ali, Muhammad’s disciple and first cousin, married Muhammad’s daughter Fatima – a clear cut case of in-breeding that was forbidden by Thakurji !!!!
So, Asif, you’ll have to denounce the marriage of Ali and Fatima as unnatural or satanic! Rai Yashendra will be pleased to hear you denounce the unnnatural, incestuous marriage of Ali with Muhammad’s daughter, Fatima, as it goes against the essentials of caste eugenics.
7) Asif, Thakurji wants you to completely give up non-vegetarian food which he considers harmful to your consciousness and body.
But, Asif, doesn’t the Quran clearly permit Muslims to eat non-veg (cows, bulls, goats, etc)except the flesh of pigs and animals with cloven feet? True ! Asif, don’t the Quran and Haidths lay down specific guidelines for the slaughter of animals? Yes, all this does exist in the Quran and Hadiths. But, Asif, Thakurji wants you to give up eating non-vegetarian food and even abandon the intake of onions, garlic and carrots. Please Asif, for Thakurji’s sake, renounce the teachings of the Quran by giving up meat and becoming a shudh shakari (vegetarian),
9) Depart from the message of the Quran for preaching the Day of Judgement as a fixed day in the future, when human beings will be judged, human souls will be ressurected and those who believe in Allah and NOT in any other God or God-Prophet will be sent to heaven to dance and sleep with the houris for ever. Sri Thakurji said that Judgement Day was not a fixed Day but was a continual process of judgement being delivered by the karmic law based on the deeds of an individual as he lives and evolves or devolves from birth to birth (reincarnation).
Asif and other Muslims, if you wish to be TRUE Muslims and follow the God-Prophet Sri Sri Anujul Chandra Thakurji, be prepared to accept all of the above interpretations of the Glorious Quran and other guidelines as given by Thakurji(points 1 to 9).
Do you agree?
Plenty of Love: Sanjoy
If somebody wants, he can just focus at ONE of the Prophets TRULY and try to understand HIM with deep devotion and longing from heart. With head bowed down, and immense love from every cell of the body. By being simple and humble. By considering oneself just a peck of dirt at HIS Holy feet…………. Then, the rest of the knowledge will effulge itself in heart and mind.
No other testimony will be required to understand the truth. And truth is understood within. No need to break one’s head in anything else.
Just see the language used by Sri Sri Thakurji in what I have quoted earlier. Is there any claim or ego ? Any challenge ? Just pure outpourings from the deep recesses of one’s heart. Prayers to Mohammad, the King of kings !!
Any other attempt to understand Quran & the Prophet in any other mood will yield BIG ZERO. That will be nothing but the dance of the complexes.
Yashendra (Real)
Bursting Another Myth in the Holy Quran:
Origin of the Universe from Smoke (Dukhan)?
[FUSSILAT 41:11] “Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke (dukhan), and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or unwillingly. They said: We come, obediently.”
Muslim fundamentalists, by pointing out the above verse, claim that the Qur’an miraculously foretells that the origin of the universe began with gaseous matter.
They try to confuse the common people that it is the great and surest sign that the Qur’an is a book of God, the infallible word of Allah.
Let’s see how easy it’s to refute this absurd claim:
First of all, the universe did not begin as a gas or any gaseous material. From current Big Bang theory we know, the universe began before any matter of any kind existed – it began as pure energy. It took several moments for any matter to form, and then too it was a plasma, not a gas. Gases only came much later, after the plasma cooled, and yet gases were still not the only constituent; much of the mass-energy at even that point, as before, was comprised of electromagnetic radiation -light.
Secondly, even, for the sake of argument, if we take “gaseous material” as plasma, then also the problem remains unsolved.
The main problem is that the above-mentioned verse actually does not talk about any “gaseous material,” which Islamic scholars are continuously claiming. The Arabic word used in this verse is “dukhan” – “smoke”, whereas in Arabic, the word for gas is “ghaz”.
Trying to relate smoke with gaseous material is nothing but a hide and seek word game played by Islamic scholars.
Moreover, smoke is made of ash, predominantly carbon, and is produced from burning (oxidation), not plasma condensation.
Smoke looks nothing like heated hydrogen or helium, does not share its elemental mass or other properties, and does not even possess many of the general properties of a gas.
Thus, Allah chose the wrong word.
He could have used “hot gases” or “hot gases expanding in a vacuum” or anything which is much closer to the truth.
If we critically examine this verse, it becomes very clear to us that this verse is far from being scientific to define the initial condition of the universe, that the verse is really a hoax.
Thirdly, Let’s check the chronological order of the above verse from Qur’an.
From verse 41:9 we find that that the earth is made “in two days,” and this is the first two days in the list. After the creation of the earth, Allah describes the next two days of creation, completing the first “four days equal,” in which mountains and plants are made in verse 41:10. Thus, we find a gradual order of the Qur’anic creation,i.e., Allah first created the earth and then filled the earth with mountains and plants (It is quite understandable that mountains and plants could not be made before the earth was made, thus 41:10 follows 41:9 in a quite reasonable order). But, then, we see that the verse 41:11 establishes an undeniable context in which the universe exists as smoke at the same time that the earth already exists, since God “rose over towards the heaven when it was smoke” and spoke to it and to the earth, therefore no Muslim can rationally deny that this verse clearly says the earth existed at the same time as the smoke which is totally irrational and absurd.
Thus the verse mentioned above which is claimed to be a “perfect analogy” describing the initial condition of the universe is nothing but a clever deception.
Plenty of Love: Sanjoy
Dear Moderator,
I admire your patience and tolerance. But, I have a request. Any comment criticising Prophet Mohammad and Quran should not be allowed. Only spiritual discussions should take place.
See, someone tried to “bust the myth of Meraj” and challanged it by using third-class language and opining that its all wrong. What happend ? This foolish critic got himself busted and his ignorance exposed about Quran & the Prophet !!! One single quote of Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra ji was enough to shatter his blabbering.
Similarly, all his other points are equally foolish and merits NO attention. Now, its futile to talk on every point he( under various guises) makes as it will be like playing flute in front of a buffalo.
I request you to take some measures to stop this person’s ( under various guises)meaningless writings.
Thanks & regards,
Rai Yashendra Prasad ( Real)