Continuing my previous post about evolution, I want to just let you know who Harun Yahya is.
HarunYahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.
Born in Ankara in 1956, Adnan Oktar is a prominent Turkish intellectual. Completely devoted to moral values and dedicated to communicating the sacred values he cherishes to other people, Oktar started his intellectual struggle in 1979 during his education at Mimar Sinan University’s Academy of Fine Arts [emphasis mine — ZA]. During his university years, he carried out detailed research into the prevalent materialistic philosophies and ideologies around him, to the extent of becoming even more knowledgeable about them than their advocates. As a result of his accumulation of knowledge, he has written various books on the fallacy of the theory of evolution. His dedicated intellectual effort against Darwinism and materialism has grown out to be a worldwide phenomenon. Quoting from the 22 April 2000 issue of New Scientist, Mr. Oktar became an “international hero” in communicating the fallacy of the theory of evolution and the fact of creation. The author has also produced various works on Zionist racism and Freemasonry and their negative effects on world history and politics. Besides these, Oktar has written more than a hundred books describing the morals of the Qur’an and faith related issues.
If he was at the Academy of Fine Arts, he wouldn’t have studied Biology or not? Let’s check another source:
The author, who writes under the pen-name HARUN YAHYA, was born in Ankara in 1956. Having completed his primary and secondary education in Ankara, he then studied arts [emphasis mine — ZA] at Istanbul’s Mimar Sinan University and philosophy [emphasis mine — ZA] at Istanbul University. Since the 1980s, the author has published many books on political, faith-related and scientific issues. Harun Yahya is well-known as an author who has written very important works disclosing the imposture of evolutionists, the invalidity of their claims and the dark liaisons between Darwinism and bloody ideologies such as fascism and communism.
Great! An arts and philosophy major debunking evolution! I need to go find a Muslim scientist, specifically a Biologist, who has written on evolution.
Emir: Though the Quran does at times allude to scientific phenomena, the text is usually vague. The purpose is obviously not to teach science. Some Muslims have tried hard to extract scientific theories from the Quran, but their effort is only believed by Muslims and is not good enough to convince a skeptic.
Regarding the verses you quoted, a number of those things were known to Greeks. Even if some are new, they are extremely vague. For example, the Quran refers to creating Earth in 2 days, but in other verses says something about a day being much longer than ours.
harun is a intelligent man he made sense of everything that people probably think about in their life.i always though about this world and qeustioned my self ‘on how great and beautiful this world is and this world COULD NOT of been created by its own there must a great power behind it and that is ‘GOD’. I mean earth is created so perfertly that people don’t insight beyond to think how could all living and nonliving came to be thats the great power of something beyond our imagination. If humans created machines who created us that is a qeustion to every human being. Harun has helped me to understand even greater creations by ‘GOD’. THANKS TO HIM I CAN EXPLAIN ALL THESE THINKS TO OTHER PEOPLE WITH MORE COMFIDENCE.
now to evolution
ALL of us believe that there is atoms then there would be molecules. All of us believe that there is molecules then there would be cells.If theres cells then theres tissues. If theres tissues then theres organs. if theres organs then theres living things like us. If theres living things then there should be a large living area for living things which is a planet. if there is planet then there should be star if there is star or stars then there should be galaxies. if there is galaxies then there should a universe. if all these great things have greater power then there is a greatest power of all ‘GOD’. HE IS THE START AND END THERE IS NOTHING GREATER THEN HE WHO CONTROLS ALL THESE THINGS. EVOLUTION IS A THOERY THAT OUR MINDS CREATED BUT WHO CREATED OUR MIND.
Fred: Like I have said before, I don’t have any problem with Harun Yahya’s belief in God. He does use really bad science to refute scientific theories. The theory of evolution is not at all incompatible with belief in God, just like the laws of motion or gravitation etc.
if evolution of men is true (of course not)why all of these people don’t go into another evolution?I mean that for ages people haven’t changed.In other words,when we look the pictures of old ages people on the wall of the historical places,I don’t see any differences from these day’s people.I am sure that Darwinizm is absolutely WRONG.
Avni: While we haven’t seen any speciation among humans, we have observed it in other species. Also, we have observed genetic differences among different human populations and hence microevolution.
As I see Zack you are a believer of Darwinizm evolutıon.And I want to say something about that.If you believe ALLAH,you can not admit evolution.If you admit evolution,you can go out of ISLAM.Because ALLAH created Adam and Eve.They didn’t come from a kind of monkey.So I mean that a Muslim can not admit any kind of mankind evolution. May Allah help you,me and all of the people who are Muslims or not.
If you supplicate ALLAH willingly,İNŞALLAH He admit your supplication.
Abdullah: Good. I don’t want to be part of your crazy “Islam.” I am a Muslim in my own way.
I don’t understand at all why belief in God (or Allah if you insist) is inconsistent with scientif theories.
as salam ‘alaikum
Allah Subhanahuu orders us in His Eternal word Al Qur’an al Hakeem that every many should deep think.
Deep thinking is an order to us….
Harun Yahya deep thinks
and Allah knows Best and His (j) Nabi (saas) knows Best
wadood: Harun Yahya might think deep but he is full of hot air on the evolution issue. He is just regurgitating the standard creationist propaganda.
While we haven’t seen any speciation among humans, we have observed it in other species. Also, we have observed genetic differences among different human populations and hence microevolution.
Posted by: Zack
Yet, Zack, you are speaking of Macroevolution… a theory which has NEVER been proven… and the excuse used by evolutionists is that the process takes too long to be observed in a lab… There are way too many holes in macroevolution to even be considered a real scientific theory anymore… But, because of aethiest scientific “scholars”, Macroevolution remains a theory. I would love to see you provide ample evidence of its existence which you have not done yet on this forum. You have only succeeded in bashing Harun Yahya’s books.
Is God not capable of creating man and other species seperately? I have found that most evolutionists are atheists and use the evolution argument as a way of explaining how the world came to be… But they are “forced” to be evolutionists only because they reject God… knowing fully well of the silly notion that all things came to be by chance… that all species come from one… Yet, they stick to it because they are bound to it… Evolution has provided them a way out… or so they think…
SilverRain: Here is an article about observed speciation. Here is another article. I would also recommend the Understand Evolution Website at Berkeley.
There is scientific consensus that the theory of evolution is the best explanation for what we have observed. It is not just an atheistic idea. Many Muslims, Christians and Jews accept it as a valid scientific theory as well. Belief in God is not contradictory with natural selection.
check this
Zack, as the evolution theory says that every living thing is evolving.That could be true,but why does the monkey is still a monkey after million of years, there are fosil that prove it.since yours shares the same ancestor which carry the same DNA why does after the same evolution they end up living on trees while UR watching a cable tv in U’r house…please explain.
Zack, as the evolution theory says that every living thing is evolving.That could be true,but why does the monkey is still a monkey after million of years, there are fosil that prove it.since yours shares the same ancestor which carry the same DNA why does after the same evolution they end up living on trees while UR watching a cable tv in U’r house…please explain.
Zack, as the evolution theory says that every living thing is evolving.That could be true,but why does the monkey is still a monkey after million of years, there are fosil that prove it.since yours shares the same ancestor which carry the same DNA why does after the same evolution they end up living on trees while UR watching a cable tv in U’r house…please explain.
Perharps their the unfortuned,right Zak…
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Perharps their the unfortuned,right Zak…
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First of all I was shocked at how much some people now about ISLAM, even though they claim their Muslims. First of all if you’re a Muslim if you have to believe in the Quran. You can’t take what you want and reject whatever you want. SO YOU CAN’T ADMIT EVOLUTION THEORY and BE A MUSLIM AT THE SAME TIME.
I’m inviting everyone to learn more rather than saying “Muslims admit evolution theory too”.
I hope we’re all clear with this.
I think the problem is people just hear smgth from other people and just add 1000 to 1 , and express themselfes as they did research on that. One questions for those who believe in Darwin. Since his life till know did science go on his side or day by day, year by year, did science disapproved his ideas? According to my research science is dissapproving him they by they more.
And yes Quran could be taken as a scientific book, because its a miracle in how some verses talk about the science which was just known last 100years AGO and wasn’t known by GREEKS. Ok so soem of you athiests are going to claim, “ohh this was just written by chance”.
My ponit is not to convert anyone. You could believe in whatever you want, but when it comes to my religion ISLAM, I invite you to read the whole book, and make your own judgements rather talking to really narrow minded muslims or just looking at some terorists who claim their muslims.
And for those who are muslims, don’t try to convert other people, in Quran it gives the message, “Are you going to convert them by forcing?”
Of coarse not, so just follow you’re true path to Allah, or whatever some else wants to call it.
First of all I was shocked at how much some people now about ISLAM, even though they claim their Muslims. First of all if you’re a Muslim if you have to believe in the Quran. You can’t take what you want and reject whatever you want. SO YOU CAN’T ADMIT EVOLUTION THEORY and BE A MUSLIM AT THE SAME TIME.
I’m inviting everyone to learn more rather than saying “Muslims admit evolution theory too”.
I hope we’re all clear with this.
I think the problem is people just hear smgth from other people and just add 1000 to 1 , and express themselfes as they did research on that. One questions for those who believe in Darwin. Since his life till know did science go on his side or day by day, year by year, did science disapproved his ideas? According to my research science is dissapproving him they by they more.
And yes Quran could be taken as a scientific book, because its a miracle in how some verses talk about the science which was just known last 100years AGO and wasn’t known by GREEKS. Ok so soem of you athiests are going to claim, “ohh this was just written by chance”.
My ponit is not to convert anyone. You could believe in whatever you want, but when it comes to my religion ISLAM, I invite you to read the whole book, and make your own judgements rather talking to really narrow minded muslims or just looking at some terorists who claim their muslims.
And for those who are muslims, don’t try to convert other people, in Quran it gives the message, “Are you going to convert them by forcing?”
Of coarse not, so just follow you’re true path to Allah, or whatever some else wants to call it.
I apologize for my vocab. I had to write it so fast as I had limited time.
Hope everyone has a nice day.
P.S: I think the Quran could be taken as a scientific book, because with some scientific knowledge there, it proves that it is a Miracle. As our prohpet didn’t have a miracle like, making a dead person alive, etc.
djinn: That article was interesting.
Jimm_R/Zul: First, you must decide on your own identity. Posting the exact same comment multiple times under different names does not reflect well on you.
About evolution of monkeys, they are probably evolving just like humanity has gone through many changes in the last million years. You must understand that macroevolution takes a long time. There are some species which have been in existence for 100 million years.
ozgur/oscar: Thanks for doubting my faith. You do not deserve a response since you go around questioning people’s faith.
Ohhh I’m sorry Zack if I have offended you. But if you want to have discussions like this, you should be open minded to everything and you should question things.
Not only did I question other people faith’s more than that I questioned my own faith in the past, rather than (like you) just believeing what I was thaught in a stubborn way.
Please Zack just talk in a logical way, ok? You can’t be a muslim and and believe in Darwin at the same. Of coarse you can’t respond to me because you know you’re wrong, and don’t want to accept it.
But if you have a different definition of being a muslim, like accepting some part of the book, and deny some other part, I would respect your definition, though the definiition will sound funny.But reading the whole book, you’re going to see that its against Darwinism.
So my suggestion for you as a friend, just say you believe in GOD (and thats if you really do), and you don’t believe in religions, ok?
Don’t use our definition (being a muslim) in a wrong way please.
Regards
For ozgur/oscar
Please learn proper English then crtisize others.
ozgur: You talk about being open-minded and logical, but then go on and simply claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is outside Islam.
Mariam: I think that’s an unfair comment. It seems English is not ozgur’s first language.
Thanks,
Mariam: The subject here isn’t my how much english I know or don’t know.
And Mariam, instead of making comments on my english skills, I invite you to tell me and the other muslims how the Quran could agree with Darwinism?
Zack: Thanks for reminding Mariam that English isn’t my first language. Instead of repeating what I said, why don’t you write your ideas how the Quran could agree with Darwisim by putting facts from the book, as the book is the only fact that we have about Islam?
I’m trying to discuss and exchange ideas with you guys, but if you guys are going to continue to make the subject about “how much english I know”, I’d rather back of as I don’t have time to lose with you talking about my english skills.
To sum up Zack, Please tell how I could be wrong when I said, “The Quran is against Darwinism” (instead of saying “You simply claim that who doesn’t agree with you is outside Islam”, thanks for reminding me, but I know what I’ve said)
P.S: Is there any prerequisite in english (besides knowing basic english) for this discussion, like do we have to have GRE Verbal of 700 at least or smght like that?
ozgur: Your question requires a detailed response. I should probably put up a post about it. But I am busy with work and might not get to a detailed response until April.
For now, here is something I found online. You might also want to check out some of the links in another post on mine on this topic.
hi, im new here. i jst read some of ur msgs about harun yahya + evolution. u r so wrong 2 say dat harun yahya is wrong cos on his website there comments frm other western scientists + they agree with him. so dnt try + make excuses, the Quran is frm God + u shud read harun yahya’s other articles 2. darwin did nothing bt cause trouble. wats this about gravity? God is the CREATER of evryting not u.
also i loved harun yahya’s articles on ‘matter is illusion’ + ‘the importance of conscience’. this man is truly blessed by Allah. inshallah evry1 will realise the truth.
hi, im new here. i jst read some of ur msgs about harun yahya + evolution. u r so wrong 2 say dat harun yahya is wrong cos on his website there comments frm other western scientists + they agree with him. so dnt try + make excuses, the Quran is frm God + u shud read harun yahya’s other articles 2. darwin did nothing bt cause trouble. wats this about gravity? God is the CREATER of evryting not u.
also i loved harun yahya’s articles on ‘matter is illusion’ + ‘the importance of conscience’. this man is truly blessed by Allah. inshallah evry1 will realise the truth.
Angel please ask God these questions for me.
Why there is wine and virgins for men who goes to heaven? What do women got in return or it is presumed no women will be allowed there.
angel/muslim girl: on his website there comments frm other western scientists.
Can you please point those out to me?
Whoever you are, whatever you think, just keep in mind that you absolutely have to respect each other’s opinions. I do not believe in any god. I’ve seen so much people and children suffering everywhere in the world from violence and disease… Either is a god unable to change this, and why should I believe in him, or he makes it on purpose, and he should be punished for it.
But anyway, if you believe in, I’ll have to respect your opinion.
Wow. I wasted my whole time reading the huge argument, which has taken almost a year, looking at the dates of the comments. All I can say is that God exists. I will address all of your disputes in this one comment.
a. You cannot point your fingers at Muslim terrorists, or arab history as an argument in religion. These are people who you are reflecting on, for the religion comes from the QURAN. Don’t even dare pointing out “smart” people who leave Islam, or “ignorant” people in islame, or base Islam on culture, because Islam is NOT culture. Islam is from the QURAN. That goes for you, especially, Mariam.
b. The Quran can be viewed as either a History or Science book. There is evidence that proves science and history in the Quran. These are miracles from the Quran. Yes, I can see that the Quran is sometimes somewhat “vague” as you say sometimes when issuing scientific miracles.
c. The second law of thermodynamics was NOT completely misinterpreted. Actually, termodynamics was somewhat accurately defined without a complex definition. The second law of thermodynamics is measurement of how much heat as spread from time A to time B. It is true that even photosynthesis is nearly impossible to directly explain using mathematics, physics, and chemistry. Even so, this was only one chapter in Harun’s book. Stop whining. All else in his books are found to be true. Remember that science should used With God. God created Science.
d. God does everything for a reason, and we may not understand him, but surely we shall when we return to him. This life is a Test. A test with a consequence. It’s your choice.
e. The world is a MIRACLE. Harun has written about many of the miracles in the ant and DNA. The origin of the cell is a miracle. Chance is possible, but can you not see the world around you? Look at the trees. Even the trees pray to God. Look at your own HAND. Astronomical amounts of Cells performing so perfectly together in the midst of incredible complexity.
f. Zack, your comments were useful, and I respect your opinion. If you want to be a muslim in whatever way you want, that is fine. As to you, Mariam, stop the degrading comments; they make you look like a moron. Peace.
Carl: The Quran can be viewed as either a History or Science book.
I disagree. It’s neither. It’s a book about morality.
© The 2nd law of thermodynamics is about entropy. Creationists misinterpret it in 2 ways. They misunderstand the definition of entropy and they forget that the law applies only to closed systems.
(f) Thanks, Carl.
Harun Yayha is a prolific writer but not a very accurate one. He distorts or misrepresents almost every scientific understanding that I’ve come across in his books. It concerns me that people, particularly children, are being taught lies about the world.
Some examples:
No celestial bodies, including galaxies cross each others paths. (In this one he contradicts himself in two books, saying also that galaxies do pass through each other without any effect on either).
No harmful rays from the sun reach the surface of the Earth. (So I guess sun-tan manufacturers are all conning us.)
The atmosphere prevents any meteors falling to Earth (ignoring the 20 tons of debris that reach the surface of the Earth every day).
Geckos have suckers on their toes.
No robotic hand can or will be able to match the flawless functionality of a human hand.
There are no transitional fossils (lists of these are freely available on the Net).
Animal “designs” are flawless.
Changes within species can occur without genetic change.
All genetic mutations are harmful and caused by external effects.
The universe was formed by lots of substances coming together by chance (from a children’s book).
There is no water on any other planets.
All of these are mistruths. He suggests scientists are lying, for some reason. That is just nonsense. This is a dangerous author intent on keeping people ignorant.
Hi there
I am new to this room and my views on Harun Yahya are generally quite positive. I have read his books to do with matter being an ‘illusion’ (he does elaborate on this further, so don’t take my sentence at point value)and I must say it struck me so much. He grounded what he said on clear scientific theory as well as the Quran itself. I must say he did change my life, because he confirmed really what so many mystics have been saying for thousands of years concerning the universe and one’s relation to it.
Keep up the good work!
Shamsun,
But Harun Yahya distorts science theories to suit his own beliefs, and even tells outright lies about our knowledge of the world and the universe. I gave some examples in my last post, and it is not an exhaustive list. Have you accepted Harun’s interpretation of scientific understandings, without question?
Hi Zack. A friend of mine showed me this interesting blog of yours.
I’m a biology student (currently specializing in genetics of microorganism) and it’s saddening for me that there are people like HY who twisted science and scientific facts for their own needs and personal opinions.
I’m an Indonesian Muslim, I believe in God, and my faith is not troubled by evolution. I’m a moderator for a mailing list called ‘evolusi’ in yahoo. It’s basically a mailing list for the debate of evolution x creationism, and there are lots of interesting debates going on.
Keep on keeping on 🙂
Mike,
Thanks for your comments, I am sorry I didn’t read your particular section because I had just browsed through some of the messages as a newcomer. As an afterthought, since I am assuming you have more knowledge of science than me, have you read HY books ‘Matter: Another Name for Illusion’. The reason why I ask is because he presents quite a profound view concerning our perception the world, and though he uses scientific theories, I wanted to know in your opinion does that book stand up?
But thanks for your comments, I can see now reading most of the messages here, how a lot of people are quite apprehensive about Harun Yahya. But still his viewes on the ‘illusion’ of matter are very interesting for me. Could you elaborate further on them?
shamsun
One of Harun’s books that deals with atheism, creation, and more, invites your comments. It has been placed online in Wiki format. You can edit the book to add your comments. Please see:
Allah Is Known Through Reason.
I like his introduction to this book:
To see the fact of Creation, one first of all needs wisdom.
This book is a summons to wisdom.
There is a surprising amount of material in this book that can be agreeable to Christians. The Bible says,
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord. Isaiah 2:18.
tyas: Thanks for your comment.
Shamsun: A book about matter being an illusion seems to deal with metaphysics and philosophy and not science.
Refuting: My posts about Harun Yahya have dealt only with evolution. Faith in God is a completely different matter.
I would disagree
the books he has written on the idea of matter being an illusion have been also grounded in scientific evidence and to say that it is primarily about metaphysics and philosophy since this contradicts what the Quran itself say’s about there being no divorce between religion and science. Harun Yahya fundamentally grounds a lot of what he say’s in the particular books referred to on science but also what the Quran itself say’s. Pleas read the books ‘Matter: Another Name for Illusion’ and ‘The Little Man in the Tower’. I would certainly like to hear your opinions about them and whether or not what he say’s about science is true. You can read these books on line in his website.
Thankss
i really like this debate pg. but zack if you made one bout masons it would be better and more interesting
hi, i came across this site while surfing the internet on harun yahya.harun yahya does have a number of books on masons such as ” the knights templars”, “global freemasonry” and a variety of books in turkish, on the topic.
saya dukung peyan , biarin orang yahudi ngeledek lu pade jangan di gubris deh ok wong muslim
Shamsun: I can’t say what Harun Yahya’s argument about matter is without reading his book. However, matter as illusion is a very common idea in metaphysics and philosophy.
emily: I don’t know anything about masons.
pa’de: Which language is that?
Peace… as much as i would like to ignore moronic comments like the one below(i’ve to agree with u Carl…)n i apologise coz this website is set up for a TOTALLY different discussion…
MARIAM: Angel please ask God these questions for me.
Why there is wine and virgins for men who goes to heaven? What do women got in return or it is presumed no women will be allowed there.
Posted by: Mariam (2 comments) at April 18, 2004 06:16 PM
Can’t help but quote just A Verse from the Quran
to help our beloved sister Mariam understand the truth:
Anyone who acts rightly, male or female, being a believer, We will give them a good life and We will recompense them according to the best of what they did. (Qur’an, 16:97)
Allah s.w.t explains! So Angel… GOD has already answered n Mariam… May Allah Guide u… Peace!
hmm
if thats the casee..can someone tell me why the Quran tells women to be ‘obedient’ to their husbands and prevents women from being the Khalifa? I myself am a believer in Islam, just would like to hear people;s comments on this issue.
Thanks
What a debate we have here. lol. I would just like to state a few things about evolution.
Evolution lowers humans to a heap of matter (no offense). Now lets forget the heap of matter, lets go down to the cells which are like the building blocks of a human being.
Each cell has a nucleus and inside that nucleus lies one of the greatest wonders of modern biology—-DNA.
You cannot reduce DNA to matter since it is information. They have to be taken seperately—-matter and information. Matter being the four chemicals that make up the code in DNA and information being what the enzymes in the cell interpret from the chemicals. Biologists study these two things without reduction to matter wholely (which is materialism) because that would be like reducing my writing here to electrical impulses which it is more then. You have to consider both the electrical impulses AND what my writing is talking about. The information in DNA is a blow to the “came about by chance” cliche. It is a matter of logic and observance of the probabilities.
Hmm…probabilities, that is something evolutionists don’t mention on any of their evolutionary explanations. I want some kind of rough probability to be calculated by evolutionists even if it is [0.000000000000001] and then put on their explanations somewhere like:
“This protein could have had an accidental mutation and turned into protein-x [probability of this in one out of trillion cells is 0.000000000001. Then it could have binded to protein-a to create this cellular function.
Probability of such is 0.00000000000000000000001.”
Maybe they don’t want to even entertain thoughts about probability? That isn’t scientific.
Now you can argue that the DNA information came about by chance but evolutionists must give us a convincing number. Mathematicians and biologists have actually tried to get a rough estimate of the probabilities in some evolutionary scenarios. The numbers are so low that they refute the particular evolutionary scenarios. I don’t have a number/probability for the DNA arguement but don’t tell me that it is high. It is most likely extremely low. If not then proving it to be high would be a showing me a number here and listing the steps taken to find the number.
I have read a book by a famous biochemist named Michele Behe (not a thiest) called Darwin’s Black Box which is comprehensive in profiling many biochemical entities which the evolutionists just can’t provide a good explanation to.
Here is a quote from the director of the German Federal Physics and Technology Institute, Prof. Werner Gitt:
“A coding system always entails a nonmaterial intellectual process. A physical matter cannot produce an information code. All experiences show that every piece of creative information represents some mental effort and can be traced to a personal idea-giver who exercised his own free will, and who is endowed with an intelligent mind…. There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter…”
I just talked about DNA and “information” here and I will stick with that arguement. Harun Yahya isn’t a specialist and therefore you cannot find extremely detailed (like in Darwin’s Black Box) arguements. I respect Harun Yahya’s work against evolution because personally, I want evolution to answer more questions which it has been unable to answer. Maybe evolution is just another dogma like the world being flat or the earth being the center of the universe. 🙁 One way or the other, if evolution doesn’t answer the modern findings than we will have to set it aside.
When evolution surrenders it doesn’t mean you have lost your freedom to deny God. After all, God does say “Let there be no compulsion in religion”. But then again this debate isn’t about faith right? It is about evolution.
So don’t worry about HAVING TO SURRENDER TO FAITH AND “OMG I MUST HOLD ONTO EVOLUTION OR ELSE I WILL BE DEFEATED BY THE CREATIONISTS”. As a Muslim I say, peace be upon you whether you are a creationist, evolutionist, athiest, thiest, etc as long as we can discuss things in a proper manner.
Zack I have one question for you. Are you open to the possibility that evolution COULD be wrong. Because you have mentioned that:
“I agree that there’s a lot I don’t know, but I am always open to knowledge.”
Hope you are open to knowledge. I will end it here. I believe the information theory I just summarized here needs solid refutation if evolution is to be true at all.
– God Bless
Vision: Behe is peddling what he calls “Intelligent Design”. He’s probably the only scientist who thinks that explains anything.
You misunderstand evolution when you say that it ” lowers humans to a heap of matter” or that evolution is a way for atheism. Evolution is a theory to naturally explain a lot of biological phenomena. It does that quite well.
Over time, there have been modifications and refinements in the original theory propounded by Darwin. That is what science is about. I expect that this will continue happening as scientists work in this field. Neither Intelligent Design nor Creationism explain anything in this respect and are beliefs rather than scientific theories.