Continuing my previous post about evolution, I want to just let you know who Harun Yahya is.
HarunYahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar.
Born in Ankara in 1956, Adnan Oktar is a prominent Turkish intellectual. Completely devoted to moral values and dedicated to communicating the sacred values he cherishes to other people, Oktar started his intellectual struggle in 1979 during his education at Mimar Sinan University’s Academy of Fine Arts [emphasis mine — ZA]. During his university years, he carried out detailed research into the prevalent materialistic philosophies and ideologies around him, to the extent of becoming even more knowledgeable about them than their advocates. As a result of his accumulation of knowledge, he has written various books on the fallacy of the theory of evolution. His dedicated intellectual effort against Darwinism and materialism has grown out to be a worldwide phenomenon. Quoting from the 22 April 2000 issue of New Scientist, Mr. Oktar became an “international hero” in communicating the fallacy of the theory of evolution and the fact of creation. The author has also produced various works on Zionist racism and Freemasonry and their negative effects on world history and politics. Besides these, Oktar has written more than a hundred books describing the morals of the Qur’an and faith related issues.
If he was at the Academy of Fine Arts, he wouldn’t have studied Biology or not? Let’s check another source:
The author, who writes under the pen-name HARUN YAHYA, was born in Ankara in 1956. Having completed his primary and secondary education in Ankara, he then studied arts [emphasis mine — ZA] at Istanbul’s Mimar Sinan University and philosophy [emphasis mine — ZA] at Istanbul University. Since the 1980s, the author has published many books on political, faith-related and scientific issues. Harun Yahya is well-known as an author who has written very important works disclosing the imposture of evolutionists, the invalidity of their claims and the dark liaisons between Darwinism and bloody ideologies such as fascism and communism.
Great! An arts and philosophy major debunking evolution! I need to go find a Muslim scientist, specifically a Biologist, who has written on evolution.
Actually Behe is not the only scientist that is “peddling” the Intelligent Design Movement and it is maturing quite well as an alternative to evolution. Evolution is a naturalist or “materialist” theory and the main purpose of naturalism is as Dictionary.com puts it:
The system of thought holding that all phenomena can be explained in terms of natural causes and laws.
Therefore, human beings can be explained in terms of natural causes like firing neurons in the brain—-like a machine is explained in terms of its natural laws like electricity and how the circuitry uses it. Human beings are basically thought of as machines or as I put it, a heap of matter or a heap of flesh.
Zack – Evolution is a theory to naturally explain a lot of biological phenomena. It does that quite well. Over time, there have been modifications and refinements in the original theory propounded by Darwin. That is what science is about. I expect that this will continue happening as scientists work in this field. Neither Intelligent Design nor Creationism explain anything in this respect and are beliefs rather than scientific theories.
I know what evolution is. Yes there have been modifications to adapt it to recent discoveries such as DNA but it still doesn’t explain much biological phenomenon such as “How did the first cell originate?”. I also disagree that Science is only about refining old theories. It is especially about new theories coming out and completely trashing old theories as it so happened in history. That is what makes science fascinating and challenging.
The theory with the strongest evidence always comes out successful no matter how hard it is surpressed with stereotypes and biases, and recently the evidences have not been pointing towards evolution, it has been pointing towards the Design theory which was drawn up to analyze evidence of design in nature using the scientific method.
Of course for now people are employing such methods as fending off ID using such terms as “stealth creationism” and “pseudoscience” and as you said “belief”. These things don’t matter because as long as ID is able to provide a proper scientifically and empirically detectable alternative to evolution and have evidence supporting it, it will gain a stronger support and then eventually topple evolution. The theology isn’t really important because the ID proponents don’t presuppose God like creationists. Their inferences rest solely on the analysis and observations of nature. ID is presenting a hurdle for Darwinism and if it cannot remove that hurdle, then it is well of to the dustbin, even if that proccess would be slow.
So Zack, please look over at least some of the ID arguments before labelling it as “creationism” or “belief” and saying that Behe is “probably the only scientist who thinks [intelligent design] explains [nature]” because that is CERTAINLY not true. Labelling it as “belief” without looking over it’s arguements isn’t the spirit of science.
Vision: I don’t have the expertise or the time to debate ID Vs evolution right now. Let’s suffice it to say that very few scientists have accepted intelligent design as a scientific theory. Also, ID hasn’t explained any natural phenomena. More details are at Talk.Origins and Panda’s Thumb.
Harun yahya is the MEHDİ.
hmmm
mehdii???????????????? doubt that
Why you say that he is MAHDI!? This can be used as a conspiracy! Stop doing this. He is a normal human, who had read the Qur’an. And he has understandings, you just read he’s books. He has more than 100 in english. And all other 24 lang. But he never says: : “I am… ” or… “I wanna be.. I have to be…” this is stupid! You can read other book, and there you go. Conspiracy. He is not Mahdi, Adnan is… now we have 2 Mahdi, and other mosleem Alyms as potential Mahdi’s. Mahdi won’t appear now. He is borned. But don’t say “HE IS!” You don’t know ALLAH does. ALLAH does… You don’t know nothing. Nothing that can tell us when Mahdi comes. Or Who is Mahdi… but if we follow this Conspiracy there is a lot of Mahdi’s in Turkey. You just analyze a little bit. Tey have all fondation from Chatolic churches. Not Harun Yahya. But others… and they all claim that are mahdi. ehheh.. how stupid. ILLA FITNATAN! this is nothing but GAME! Rasheed Khalifa also claimed that he is MAHDI! He is killed. Now we have other Mahdi’s like, Fetullah from Trukey. Than little local majlees in Istanbul and other places. And they all have MAHDI. this is one of the Fitna’as. ILLA Fitnatan. Mahdi is here.. but not on age 45, 40… he is on 24 to 25. You can Read Hadith about Mahdi. He will appear on age 40. ALL this Mahdi’s have more than 50. And they all work for money. Harun doesen’t. But don’t say that HE IS Mahdi. This is a big Insult for Adnan, also for ISLAM, and mostly for ALLAH. ALLAH knowes who is Mahdi, or will he come. Stay calm…
To Mariam : You asked ‘Angel’ to ask God why there is wine and virgins for men who go to heaven? What do women got in return or is it presumed no women will be allowed there.
If Allah said like that, then it has to be that way. You better read the Quran yourself once again and see if women have any good in Heaven. If you only want to ridicule Allah then take care, He is strict in punishment. Stop being foolish.
To Zack : I read through the whole chain of discussion. Please tell me. Do you believe in Allah? Do you also believe that He created the first man Adam from soil and then, through him created Eve and procreated mankind through them in to nations and tribes?
If your answer is YES to the above questions you could be a Muslim but if by chance your answer is NO to any one of the above questions, sorry to say, you cannot be a Muslim. You could be a Jew who runs this web site to confuse the Muslims. I have no more comments.
Niyas: I do believe in God. The 2nd question does not have the straight forward answer that you are looking for.
I don’t care if you consider me a Muslim or not. Your bigotry (against Jews) and narrow-mindedness (on who is and isn’t a Muslim) is breathtaking. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Zack : I know you may be believing in a “god”. That’s not enough to be a Muslim. I asked you whether you believe in Allah, the Rabb of the Aalameen. If your answer is ‘yes’ then, your answer to my second question has to be an affirmative YES, which will take you completely out of your Darwin Mythology. It’s as simple as this. If your asnwer is “no” to any one of these questions, then, I am absolutely right about who you are.
But you are free to believe in whatever you want to as much as I am free to believe in whatever way I want to. Allah is the JUDGE. Cheers!
Believing in a ‘god’ is not good enough to be a Muslim,. But I asked you whether you believe in Allah, the Rabb of the Aalameen. Do you feel inferior to use the word ALLAH.
Anyway if your answer to my first question is ‘yes’ then your aswer to the second question has to be an affirmative ” YES ” . I can explain why… but not now. If it’s “No” then, my belief of who you are has to be correct.
You have the free will to think whatever way you want to as much as I have. Cheers…!
sorry for the repeat post.
Niyas: God = Allah. One is an English word, the other is an Arabic one. Both are used by a number of religions for God/Allah/Deity. But if it makes you happy, I do believe in Allah.
I see two major problems with your comment.
God has gender, plurality, and there are many millions of satanic gods worshipped by Hindus , Buddhists etc. If you didn’t know, please know that Allah is unique and specific to the true Rabb of Aalameen ( which is not possible to translate in to any language.)
Anti Semitism? … when you criticize Muslims or Arabs anti Semitism doesn’t seem to come to your mind. For your information Arabs are also Semitic.
Only when a Jew is mentioned you seem to agitate.
Who gave me the right to call someone Muslim or not…? Qur’an clearly defines who is a Muslim and who is not in the very first vesus of Ch 2 Surah Baqarah. where in v 4 it quotes about the muttaqeen… “… the one who believes in what is revealed to you (Muhammed) and what was revealed before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter.”
In what was revealed to Muhammed (pbuh) belief in the creation of the first man by Allah with clay is straight forward. I believe I don’t have to quote those versus you can look up yourself.
You don’t have to beat about the bush. It didn’t say Adam evolved through monkey. Moreover he was created not on the earth but in the paradise. Read the last lines…
Qur’an is a clear message. There is no case of believing in part and disbelieving in part. IF you disbelieve in portions which are very clear then you are defined in the Quran as a disbeliever. Creation of first man Adam is a clear message which you disbelieve in or you just side step by saying “…..the question does not have the straight forward answer that you are looking for”
Read this…. in Ch2 v 85 “………… then do you believe in a part of the scripture and reject a part? Then what is the recompense of those who do so amongst you, except disgrace in the life of this world and on the day of resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment……. “
So if you want to be a Muslim take heed of these commands. These are not my words but Allah’s.
Please read carefully… a conversation in the paradise…. I am not trying to degrade you just trying to show how serious it is…. Ch 7 v 12 ” (Allah) said, ’ What prevented you (O Iblis or ‘Satan’ ) that you did not prostrate yourself (to Adam) when I commanded you?’ Iblis said, ‘I am better than him (Adam) , You created me from fire and him you created from clay.’ “
Please read the rest of the versus …. which clearly informs that Adam and Eve were both in Heaven before being sent to the earth. Your question of man evolving from Ape or any other creature has no ground to stand if you are a “Believer “.
when you criticize Muslims or Arabs anti Semitism doesn’t seem to come to your mind.
I did not call you anti-semitic because you criticized a Jewish person. Similarly, if I criticize some particular Muslim, like Harun Yahya, I am not anti-Muslim. However, your statement implied some evil and deception on my part which you associated with Jews in general. That does make you a bigot.
While Quran does talk about the qualities required in a Muslim, it does not give niyas any authority to declare people non-Muslims. 🙂
Zack : What’s your problem Zack? Why can’t you say whether you accept the versus in the Qur’an about Adam’s creation in the heaven and not on the earth thru’ evolution from an Ape.
Our argument is not whether you are a Muslim or not but whether your ancestor was a monkey or not.
Come on Zack be a human and tell me whether you accept the words of Allah wholesale or not. If you say ‘No” I don’t have to judge you as a non-Muslim but you will just reveal yourself as to who you are.
I hope you will have the courage to give a straight forward answer this time atleast, w/o diverting the isuue to what religion you belong to.
Bye…
Everyone should read this interesting piece of article to know about anti Semitism
http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20040917/index.php
niyas: What is your problem? You seem to be obsessed with what I believe or not believe. For the record, science has shown that evolution and natural selection are the best explanations for the data in this field. Plus a lot of stuff in biology doesn’t make sense without evolution.
whether your ancestor was a monkey or not.
Pedantic: Humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor. That doesn’t make chimpanzees or monkeys our ancestors.
Your anti-semitism article link doesn’t work.
My problem : Give me a straght answer – Do you accept the words of Allah saying He created Adam out of clay in the heaven and then Eve and then sent them both to earth, to procreate in to nations? What is your problem to say “no” if your belief is so? If “no”, what is your interpretation for those words?
niyas: My interpretation is that the creation story you refer to is not literal fact. Rather, it is probably allegorical.
Happy now?
Dear Zack, Do u mean Heaven , Hell are all allegorical? Well that’s your belief. The way I see is …. before analysing the “Ape” theory first look for what Allah, the creator of both Ape and man, says about it. Then, I see it’s easy to understand where things are not quite right.
Quran has answers to many concepts. So it’s easy to go back words and ask the question.
For eg. Quran talks about Allah’s capability for re-creating even the finger tips of everyone when infidels asked ” How can Allah resurrect us when we become dust and bones?”
IF we went back to the question ” what’s so special about the finger tip?” You will discover the uniqueness of finger print for every individual.
Sameway quran says the universe was “Smoke” in the beginning and then ” We cleaved then asunder” gives a clue to the beginning of the universe. If we believe in Allah and His capabilities, then , we accept it as the truth and start our research with a answer in hand.
Similar is the case when Allah “explicitly” says that He created man out of clay that too in Heaven, which is repeated over and over again and which were confirmed by our prophet, then, there is nothing allergorical about it. So for me it is easy to refuse darwin’s theory of “man evolving from Ape” even without reading a word of it. There is no confusion whatsoever.
Muslims trust Allah to such an extent that we don’t have to waste our time in unnecessary debates on issues, the outcome of which is very clear.
Allah the creator, also tells us that He created every other living things out of water. So once again we have the answer. So we can direct our research in a more realistic and positve mode. This is the beauy of the Qur’an, the greatest Book on the face of this earth.
I can go on giving examples… but I ‘m sure you must have seen the vedios of Harun Yehya on this subject.
You asked me whether I am happy… It’s utter dissappointment as a human with Allah given intellegance could not recognize the truth provided to us in a platter by the creator Himself. Quran talks of such people in depth. So it’s not a surprise to me. Take care Zack!
Peace, to all. Don’t think 2much. WORK! World is in disorder cuz’of THINKERS! Islam needs WORKERS!
I have just read about your comments on Harun Yahya. Eventhough it may be a little bit late to mention now, here is how he has known in Turkey, where he has been residing. And then you will decide about how he writes and what deception really is.
Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Adnan Oktar, who was the leader of ‘Adnanism’ in Istanbul, Turkey, in the late 80s. He formed a group and called himself ‘Mehdi’ (‘the divinely guided one’ or ‘the directed one.’) His group consisted of chosen young men and women (seniors in high schools and undergraduates), all of whose families were wealthy and well-connected. He gained notoriety when it is unveiled that he trapped and blackmailed his female followers by secretly taping their sexual videos with handsome male models and by luring his both female and male followers with narcotics and drugs. Adnan Oktar was arrested for drug use and was imprisoned. When his prison time finished he was referred to the Bakirkoy Mental Institution in Istanbul, where he was diagnosed as “insane.” Yet, he was not institutionalized due to his well manners. Later, he became the honorary president of the Science Research Foundation, which sent death threats to Aykut Kence, a professor at the Faculty of Arts and Sciences Department of Biological Sciences in Middle East Technical University in Ankara, as well as his colleagues (see Science, Vol 292, Issue 5520, 1286-1287, 18 May 2001 SCIENCE EDUCATION:Creationism Takes Root Where Europe, Asia Meet
Robert Koenig)
Ozge: Since I don’t have access to Science right now, I assume your description of Harun Yahya is a quote from the article or not?
what are you lot on about???????????
I totally agree with you zack. This Harun Yahya is just selling books. there.
For those of you who thinks evolution is false, just look in the mirror, you will find traces of human evolution.
I greatly appreciate Mr.Harun Yahya for the effort he takes. After get to know taht he is just a graduate of fine Arts my respect doubled. I am a post graduate student in science and after reading his books, i stated to look at all in a different perspective. It really clears out that we are created but not evolved. All the thanks for Allah fo giving us an intelligent and bave author like HY. Alhamdulillah!
there is so much crap everywhere that the truth is blended over and mixed around with falsehood. criticising a person is hardly what should be done. i think zack had it right by attempting to criticise the ideas rather than the person.
however, i completely disagree that the quran is not a source of science. it is a source of knowledge. thaa-likal-kitaabu-laa-royba-feeh : this is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah.
that means whatever scientific/moral/ethical/social/judicial aspects are in that book, as a muslim, we beleive they are true fact – without doubt.
hi! iam a muslim and i want to tell those denie god that evolutionist also said all living life form evolved from water and GOD addressed this in he’s book too:
And it is He Who created human beings from water and then gave them relations by blood and marriage. Your Lord is All-Powerful. (Qur’an, 25:54)
and the point i am getting too is that evolutionist also said that from water we evolved too some kind of a fish( you find this info in http://www.harunyahya.com and click at darwinism refuted chapter 5)and it was said that this fish was extinct some 70 million years ago, but this fish that was said to be extinct was found in 1938 by who? a muslim farmer. SO this discovery shocked materalist. this discovery proves that evolution is just a myth created by those who openly denie god. gods the one who created you not yourselfs and why are talk regarding this topic. gods book is the truth you will not find any doubt about it.
Hello…
I did nt go thru the whole lot of posts here… But the first post I found to be a bit silly (no insult intended) What has a persons education got to do with his ideas and explanation of the way he sees the world (and in Yahyas case a darn good explanation anyway) Chomsky is a prof of linguistics yet he is known all over the world for his sharp political criticism of the lame patriotic American culture rampant in the USA.
The challenge is to prove Yahya wrong… Not that OH he is simply not qualified to talk about evolution. That you should all agree sounds a bit too silly.
Cheers
You guys want science? How about this, the world is not exactly round but like the shape of an egg. How about the miracle of birth and the actual process of it. Many more. All from 1400 yrs ago ahen there was no science and the europeans still thought the earth was round. The Quran is the basis of arabic scientific research. Since arabs invented the meticulous process of proving theories rather than just excaliming them, then we might deduce that the modern scientific approach comes from them.
Check this out: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
Siyana: What branch of science are you studying? And have you heard about the scientific method?
Qasim: Harun Yahya’s education is relevant because he shows such a basic ignorance of science in his writings. For example, thermodynamics which is something I know a lot more about than Biology.
Abdi: I am not sure how that’s relevant to the evolution and Harun Yahya discussion.
LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh! LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh! LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh! LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh! LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh! LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh! Don’t belive to evolution and to Charlz Darvin!!!!!! LO Iloha-Ilalohu Muhammadun Rasululoh!
I got familiar with this name “Hrun Yahya” during my University education. I do not have words to describe either the personality and his great religious work. He has proved himself to be very logical, reasonable, straight forward scholar and his intellectual acumen is wonderful. At the begining I thought that Darwinism is Harun Yahay’s speciality but gradually I knew that he is more than that. Now several of his scientific contributions are our every day’s discussions and it helps us in preaching as well. I am confident that his scientifc reasoning and justification are so accurate and convincing that no one in the scietific intellegesia in the world could challenge his ideas and t prove any sigle defect and biased comments in his work. I wish a very long and prosperous life for this great scholar and we are thankful to Almighty Allah for giving us Harun Yahya.
Ishfaq Bukhari
Research Fellow University of Karachi, Pakistan.
Harun Yahya puts up a good argument to prove God exists and that the theory of Darwin is wrong and he gives you the sources of where he got them from if you have any doubt.
Darwin himself was aware of the fact that invalidated his theories and admitted this in a chapter called Difficulties of Theory. He wanted scientists in the future to overcome these difficulties but advance science has refuted Darwin’s Claims. (from Yahya’s Documentary)
If you put the world in a percentage you will see that the majority of the world believes in the existence of God.
Now, knowledge is important because this is what makes him/her different from the ignorant, he is intelligent and respected. Islam encourages Education, the first word to be revealed to the Prophet (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) was READ,
There are many religions in the world but one shouldn’t follow his religion blindly but he should study his religion, see if this is the truth.
In Islam everything has been perfected and all problems are solved. It is just that there are many people who are unaware and have doubts but this is due to their ignorance or lack of knowledge of Islam. If you have a question against Islam my advice is to talk to a prominent Scholar.
Zack from what I understand is that you do not believe in God… correct me if I’m wrong.
Have you listen to Harun Yahya’s documentaries…?
If you have can you give me evidences to prove Darwin is correct?
Because science has proved Darwin wrong.
Sorry for the long essay but I hope you ponder over what have said.
Tel me if you haven’t understood anything and I will try my best to respond.
Much respect.
Ferdous
ferdous: You’ll have to excuse me as I am tired of debating this issue with pople who automatically assume that I am an atheist or non-Muslim or whatever.
I would suggest that you read all of my posts on the subject of evolution and the comments on those posts as well if you want an intelligent discussion with me. I don’t want to repeat myself over and over again.
Here are the posts:
If you want to discuss something afterwards, I am game.
its too much to read because i have an assignment to hand in tomorrow. so can you just summarise what the controversy is i interpreting from all these comments. i only found this site today
sorry for the gramatical mistake. i was meaning to say the information that i am interpreting form all these comments
ferdous
Here is a brief synopsys of what I think:
This is getting long.
I wasn’t clear when you said you are sick and tired of people who automatically assume whether you are an atheist and or non-Muslim… What are you then?
Because you can’t believe in the religion of Allah and at the same time believe evolution. If this is true, then you have deviated a clear deviation.
The believers are those who say ‘we here and we obey’.
In Islam it is NOT allowed for anyone to carve out the religion to what they think is logical, and what they don’t find to have any logic they reject. The Jews have earned Allah’s wrath because they accepted part of the book (torah) and rejected the rest. And today we see many Muslims who are doing the same whether it is to do with the law of Hijab, Retribution, marriage or any other Law of Allah. they make excuses and think of it to be un-logical or something that was for that time and in today’s society ‘because we’re so up and coming in technology and science’ and whatever the excuse, THE fundamental line is you except Islam whole-heartedly and have no room for any doubt.
So will you be kind enough to answer my question because to me you don’t make any sense.
ferdous: What are you then?
Since you have made it your business to pronounce on my faith, I have to say “stop poking your nose in other people’s personal faith.” And who appointed you the gatekeeper to Islam?
And yes I am a Muslim.
zack
Harun Yahya might have done mistakes but all scientist do mistakes for example albert enstein made mistakes. if harun yahya was wrong in one topic he is right in over 100s of topics. Harun Yahya clearly shown us facts too.
And by the way i was watching the news yesterday in cnn and they showed us that scientists believe that evolution is not so right after all.
I think that you have a very rude attitude.
‘I was not ‘poking’ into your faith.’
If you say you are Muslim, I accept.
But it is the RIGHT of another Muslim to tell their Muslim brother or sister if they are doing something wrong.
There are 6 pillars to faith and that is
1) You believe in Allah
2) His Angels
3) His messengers
4) His Books
5) The Last Day
6) Pre-ordainment. Its good and its bad
Faith is not just believing that God exists. Faith has three parts which is:
1) you believe with certainty that God exists in you heart
2) you proclaim your faith outwardly with your tongue
3) you turn yourself to God Almighty, worshipping Him alone. This is called the ‘action’ of your limbs.
One can’t say “oh, I know God exists so I have salvation’
– This ideology is incorrect because if one knows that God exists, and then is it not logic to find out why God created us, the purpose of our life.
– then comes the knowledge. Knowledge of God, His creation, His religion, the purpose of man and so forth.
– But with this knowledge, it is not meant that it is ok for the knowledge to be stacked in the brain and not be act upon… the correct method is that knowledge should be implemented in the heart which will direct your body to realise that only God Almighty is worthy of Praise and Worship and then you worship Him with your limbs.
This is just a basic out line of faith.
It is important that people self-assess themselves.
You say you are a Muslim then why don’t you think and this applies to all Muslims to ponder over their action…e.g. ‘What am I doing in the way of Allah? Have I done enough good deeds to be save myself from the fire of Hell? Have I earned the pleasure of Allah or His wrath?’
These are basic questions one should ask them-self. For a more understanding read this article http://youth.ibn.net/islam3.asp?ID=14 : it is very precise and short.
Nowhere in my previous message did I say you’re not a Muslim. If you read clearly I said “if this is to be true” then you have deviated a clear deviation. Meaning you have moved away form the straight path.
I am not trying to interfere in your faith..
I was very much offended when you said
“Who appointed you the gatekeeper to Islam?”
Did I ever say that? Neither do I believe that. Why should I want to ever claim such a thing? AND You have no right to say that…
I was only trying to give sincere advice, which is a duty for a Muslim.
As I mentioned before, when someone sees their Muslim brother or Sister doing something wrong and they have the knowledge that this is wrong they should correct it.
As the Prophet (May the peace and blessing of God be upon him said) mentioned
‘I’m not quoting direct from the Hadith, just an overview.’
That if someone sees an evil or a bad action, they should stop it with their hand and if they can’t do that they should stop it with their tongue. And if they can’t do that they should hate in their heart and that is the weakest of faith.
All I am trying to say is that you should ponder over your action and assess what you believe is correct, Is it a biased judgement or not? From what I see your judgement is quite biased and unfair. If you want a fair judgement you should study the other side.
I just give you an example of a good historian. He is one who doesn’t have an ideology before he studies and searches for history. He is open to all information unlike the one who has made his judgements and closes the door and won’t accept anything that goes against his judgements. He searches and he analyses all the evidences and sources to find out what is the correct interpretation of history.
There are many historians in the west who have made up their mind about Islam and write the Arab history from a closed door. read their books… they are very biased.
Now I think that if you are open to discussion you should be open to other people’s views. you’ve studied your biology, but atleast can you make a effort to open the close door to all evidences and sources, study it from all perspective including that from the Islamic view and then and only then can you make a judgement that is fair.
Likewise, if a non-Muslim comes up to me and says I’m a terrorist and Islam promotes terrorism, now his ideology of a Muslim is that they are all terrorists because he has just seen it from one side (i.e. media)
What should be my reply?
I should tell him that he should judge my action on what I have done and not from others, And he shouldn’t judge my religion and belief by those wrongdoers who follow my religion. He should judge my religion and beliefs by what is written in black and white, and only then can he be fair.
I hope you understand where I am coming from. I didn’t mean to write something so long nor did I intend to give you a lesson or something; I only seek to give you a sincere advice as a Muslim which you should really think about of considering. please be considerate in your reply
As Salaamu ‘Alaykum
fred: Yes, scientists (and everyone else) do make mistakes. But Harun Yahya has shown consistent lack of scientific understanding, which is a different thing.
What CNN program were you watching? Do you have a link to its transcript?
ferdous: I was a little rude, but if you have read all the comments you must have realized that every 2nd or 3rd person has questioned my faith. That gets tiring and frustrating after a while.
Your long comment says a lot about faith but nothing about the topic at hand.
you’ve studied your biology, but atleast can you make a effort to open the close door to all evidences and sources, study it from all perspective including that from the Islamic view.
I don’t understand why there has to be “islamic biology” separate from the actual science.
You don’t have to read his books to get a full essence of what Harun Yahya is trying to say. You can watch his videos. They eaisily explain what Harun Yahya is trying to say. Watch these videos: THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE, THE COLLAPSE OF EVOLUTION, THE COLLAPSE OF ATHEISM and . There are several more and worth watching! The website is http://harunyahya.com/html/m_video_index.htm
Dear Sir,
To Harun Yhaya
Would you please what you have done on cloning, please name some Cds which include you in person. Have you viisted Pakistan if yes which place?
Ishfaq
Interting.
Harun Yahya says some interesting stuff. He is right about some stuff and makes mistake at other times. That his arguments are similar to some creationist arguments does not nessary debunk them.
A degree is a piece of paper. Herbert Simon, educated in psychology, nobel prize in economics and leading researching in Artificial Intellegence when I last heard him lecture a decade or so ago. He did not have a degree in economics yet he won a nobel prize in it and he did not have a degree in math or computer science and he was a leading AI researcher.
All you need is a brain and some level of objectivity. An I dont see that in the US acedemia any more. Talking about God is taboo. Just like when who was it faynmen? when he said I have see through the eyes of God.
Regarding evolution as a basis of modern biology. You should research it in detail. I am an engineer like you too zack. I am sure you can look at the arguments / counter arguments and evidences both sides present.
Conisder the strongest evidence of evolution being the common bio chemistry. That could just as easily be the signiture of one God stamping that there is only one creator.
To me the interesting question is not if evolution happened or not. The question is could the universe we are in have been created without God. Could undirected random evolution result in beings like us?
From an engineering perspective, could closed ciculatory systems develop randomly (even with natural selection), Could mutations happen simulaneously in the bone structure of the skull and in the size of the eyes of different vertebrates so that the eyes fit in the eye holes? for a bird and also for a monkey and for a cow and for a man. And each of these creator have closed circulatory systems. how do you mutate a change in a circulatory system so that it remains closed, supplies blood to the entire organism. From a radomly mutating system with natural selection, an open circulator system would be far more likely that a completely closed system.
Ishfaq: This website is not related to Harun Yahya.
Osman: That his arguments are similar to some creationist arguments does not nessary debunk them.
Not necessarily, but most creationist arguments have been debunked.
A degree is a piece of paper.
True, but it does show that the person who got that piece of paper at least gained some knowledge in the relevant subject. It is not necessary or sufficient though.
The question is could the universe we are in have been created without God.
That is a separate question and out of the scope of the scientific question of evolution in my opinion. Some atheists do try to confuse the two but they are wrong. We cannot prove the existence of God through evolution or its replacement just like we cannot using laws of motion or gravitation.
hmm…
You know the funny thing is what proof really is..
I was an aithiest/strong agnotic for most of my adult life. I have spent my life trying to find the truth.
The thing is there is a subjectivity in proof of anything.
The only thing I can positively know for sure exists is this thought process that i am precieving right now.
Every thing else is in some way or another belief/faith. There are things for which I may have some evidence for others no evidence at all. But in the end there is always a degree of subjectivity.
We just have to be fair in evaluating proofs.
To debunk the argument by design or Anthrophmorphic coincidenses by “knowing” that there are an infinte number of universes is some tower of hammam.
Zack exactly how firm evolution is the basis of biology can be accertained by how many bio chemists, genetic engineers, doctors, and biologist dont believe in evolution. Why dont they all believe in it?
And speaking about gravity can you explain how it works? Now how much, not whats its effects are. But why and how does it work.
Osman: Relativism is alive and well I see!
Zack, in a way ferdous and others who question your faith are correct in doing so. If you have studied Islam in even a little depth, complete and utter faith in the Quran is one of the fundamental and basic principles. So, if the Quran provides no mention of evolution and in fact provides its own theory, but you are convinced by scientific reasoning that evolution is a fact, then there can be no two ways about it: You do not believe completely in the Quran, and from this the conclusion can be derived about your faith.
These stages of confusion are of course normal before a person becomes completely free of the idiocy that are religions.
But dont get angry with those who question your faith. Think about it this way: Your becoming sick and tired of people who question your complete faith in the Quran is exactly like them getting sick and tired when you ask them to believe in the body of scientific work that proves evolution.
axisofevil: I don’t think the two are equivalent.