Women, Gays, Sex, Islam

Here is an article about gay Muslims from a fellow Muslim blogger.

For years, I had fallen into the trap of the haraam/halaal debates that often produce nothing but frustration and inflated egos (my own included). Though I still get sucked in every so often, I try to stay away from that kind of thing and take a position similar to Sulayman X:

I no longer care. The issue is really quite simple, and there is no need for endless talk: gay people are human beings with human feelings and needs, and spiritual needs too, and the love they feel for others is the same love anyone feels for anyone else. Rejecting or hating them serves no useful purpose. Just because some homophobic people get a buzz from hating gays and lesbians does not mean that Allah agrees with them.

[…]What I do know is that each of our souls has the capacity to distinguish between right and wrong, and that the meanings of “right” and “wrong” are subject to infinite conditions only God is capable of sorting out. I also know that my knowledge pretty much ends at the one-God thing, and my conscience won’t allow me to disregard or reject someone who feels differently than I do. Voices condemning homosexuals to hell are abundant, but those voices don’t seem to mesh well with the themes that rise off the page every time I pick up the Qur’an.

Whether you agree or disagree with the positions that al-Fatiha [a gay Muslim organization] takes, understand that it provides a safe space for those Muslims who identify as queer, and that is a lot more than one can say about the mainstream Muslim community.

That is a very important point. Compassion and respect for others who are different from us in any way, whether in religious doctrine or in sexual orientation, is something we need to have a lot more of in the Muslim community.

While we are on the topic of Muslims and persecuted groups, Hijabman talks about women’s spaces in mosques. He cites a Hadith [saying of Prophet Muhammad] where he appointed a woman, Umm Waraqah, to lead prayers and both men and women prayed behind her. I must say I was unfamiliar with this and have only seen rulings about women being allowed to lead other women in prayer. I can’t excerpt HijabMan’s post properly, so I urge you to visit his blog and read it in full.

While we are breaking taboos, Muslim Wakeup started a Sex and the Umma series of fortnightly columns which have featured some short stories. It is not everyone’s cup of tea, but the stories can be thought-provoking as well a good read.

By Zack

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101 comments

  1. Four Enclosed Walls — I.

    Zack Ajmal of the excellent Procrastination blog has a post well worth reading — and be sure to follow the links. I won’t say any more, but it provides a rather important contrast to a lot of the kinds of…

  2. Compassion and respect for others who are different from us in any way, whether in religious doctrine or in sexual orientation, is something we need to have a lot more of in the Muslim community.

    Amen.

  3. Compassion and good behavier are two of the basic qualities, rather, reqirements of a Muslim. We call ourselves Muslim but, unfortunately, follow Islam to the extent we like to. Now, coming to the point that Qur’aan prohibits or does not prohibit homosexsuality. One only needs to read qur’aan with open mind and there is clear answer to this question.
    Sura 26, AL-SHUARA, Verses 165 & 166: What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, And leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are froward folk.
    Sura 27, AL-NAML, Verses 55 to 58: Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: they said, “Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!” But We saved him and his family, except his wife; her We destined to be of those who lagged behind. And We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!

  5. Four Enclosed Walls — I.

    Zack Ajmal of the excellent Procrastination blog has a post well worth reading — and be sure to follow the links. I won’t say any more, but it provides a rather important contrast to a lot of the kinds of…

  7. you gays are sick creatures,

    don’t call ur selves muslims, cuz you are disgracing the true muslim population.
    Call yourself something else

    The way I see it,

    Being born and not having feeling for the opposite gender, is just another test from god to test your faith. You fail u go 2 hell.

    I’m not religious, but I know where to draw the line between morality and immorality. What would god think of his melfunctioning creations? Even common sense confers……..

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  13. i read something about gays on this website. i have read the translation of quran written by four different men . three in english and one in urdu.
    in the article it was written by someone that he favours gays but also believe in God Almighty. if that is so then plz tell why is it written in quran that the Almighty codemns those MEN who to other MEN to appease their SEXUAL appetites rather than the women.
    being gay is not only against islam but it is also against nature .
    i am myself a student of gce a’levels and have read extensively.i have an experience of many different people. the thing is our humans homo sapiens when likes something very deeply they just create reasons for it to be right just to satisfy themselves.
    one may think that i am a fundamentalist.if a believer of islam is islam is not to be a fundamentalist the what else will he be.a believer of the truth is very very different from a person who calls himself a muslim. a person who adds to the true belief or adds or changes it and then even calls himself a believer is a treachrous . hypocrites

  14. muhammad hassan: Consider any sin. Does it make us hate the sinner in the way many Muslims hate gays? No. At least be compassionate and help people rather than hating them.

  16. Dear Gals n Guys,
    Islam is a religion that strictly stops men n women practising sexual relations at any level at any time or any stage with any one (male/female) other their husband n wives.
    Being a Homosexual is the biggest crime as its totally against nature n spirit of a muslim. These verses of Quran are totally wrongly coated to misguide muslims. Allah allows not any sexual activity other then allowed b/w any one.
    I am not fundemental person but belives on the realities and rules put up by Islam and if any one abides and disobey them HE/SHE certainly can’t be called as Muslim.
    So becareful open your eyes and see the reality as we donot have any homo/hetereo sexual relations in Islam.

  17. khan: I have no idea which khan saeed you are looking for.

    A-Human: Wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin, the specific sexual act is according to most traditional scholars. That’s not a debate I want to get into. Let me just say that can’t you have any compassion for gays even if you think they are committing a sin?

  18. Salams,
    Yes, many of the traditional scholars like Saadi Sherazi who has been a student of Ibn jawziee ( 13th century scholar) have actually mentioned homosexuality in their work but along with it they have also expressed their hatred as well as the general digrace of these people among the society at that time.
    In fact , I read in GULISTAN E SAADI , a story rlated by the author that the prime minister of one king was found in such an act and the king ordered him to be thrown off the highest wall of the castle so that others might take a lesson but later forgave him because he reminded the king of his various services. This was a muslim king.

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  22. I think sexual orientation is more about sexual lifestyle. Sexual reproductive organs are termed as such because that’s what they (were intended to) do and by nature is meant to be productive. I kinda think if you put a man and a man together, it defeats the purpose. Again similarly, a woman and a woman together. So if someone “swings” that way, that’s more of a lust thing than some kind of real solace(?). The law may recognise their “rights” to “be married” but marriage itself is a sacred institution of a man and a woman who then shares children. The general public may tend to disapprove of those rights because they violate a sacred institution and I may even say, appears to be sacrilegious. Gay marriages will never produce children in the traditional legitimate sense and therefore, it is counter-productive (to the society or otherwise).

    On transexuality (which I think is off the topic), if a man feels himself actually a female, the question I ask is “do you secretly yearn to menstruate, to get pregnant and to give birth?” because biologically, that’s what a woman is (a lot of blood and milk, and not without some pain). If your choromosomes say XX or XY, you are accordingly and to think you feel like the opposite chromosome is a presumption. To sashay in pretty clothes and look sensual is just a part of the big picture (though I can’t speak for those with Gonadal dysgenesis (Hermaphrodites), for them I declare I hold no prejudice if they choose a sexual orientation).

    That said, I know the Quran’s stand on the people of Lut, and “condemned to Hell” they were. And I also know these gays/lesbians have feelings too and I feel bad for being so frank on a public forum (narcissistic impulse) but unfortunately I don’t buy into homosexuality. I generally avoid having friends of different sexual orientation than the norm for fear of offending them in some way I’m not initiated in. I do hold that my beliefs are founded on ‘absolute and immutable truths’ but that is only my opinion and to try impose it on others would be psychotic. But I have to say if I was the leader of a country (Muslim or otherwise), and my opinions are imposable, I would shoulder the responsibility of doing what I believe is right.

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  29. Hi
    I am a passive gay.I am gay because in the childhood I was a handsome child(which to some extent i am still) and a pappu one and i also was a shy one full of narcissim(sorry misspell:it is a pycho term describing the feminity in boys) (in urdu nargassiat). So i was befriended by lot of people including my maternal uncle, who willingly put me on gay line.At that time they did not force me into gay sex but rather it was a play game typr of sex,mutually enjoyed. Now i am hardened passive gay male.I am 30 .At that time i have nwarly 20 young boy friends whom with which i engagage in sex as a passive partner.I only like young boys of college or matric level.
    But Ia am a hard beliver in islam .I never justify my immoral sex.I kept 30 days fasting without engagaging into sex.Yet after Ramadan I have statrted again.I alway sthink of leaving this habit but to no avail.I prayed to God a lot mhappen a miracle ,well I am not disappointed as na-umeedi is haram. I like teen boys on active gay sex.I have developed un paid confidential sex relations with my boys,though sometimes they may request for mobile cards but its all right.I love my boys.Lot of them college and school boys.Any comments on it.Ways to treat me.Dont quote Holy Text>I knew better of u people.I finished Quran during Ramadan.I fully observe and respect. My view about me is that ia sinner,yet i ask for and pray for God help and his mercy to gorgive me and show me rite path .I belive somehow well by a miracle or by abything else i will leave this habit so that when i die i go desired plac e ie Jannat.

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  36. Assalam o alaikum wrwb,
    Aamir,Congratulations! As the say “Realization of mistakes makes a man great”;You are the exact sort of person,one must have true compassion & respect for, and not for those who don’t consider sin as a sin rather justify it logically & deny listening to (leave aside contemplating or trying to practice it) the Divine guidance on this specific matter.
    I have deep regards to your sruggle against yourself. I wish my best wishes to you & pray that one day you will win, just don’t lose heart..don’t loose hope. Keep praying keep asking for forgiveness..your Creator is really Compassionate,aamir.
    Logically speaking, i invite every one interested to come & have a look at the miserable plight of those lying here struggling for breath(the place i work)..all these cases of STDs (sexually transmitted diseases),venral diseases, HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis…I have compassion for them too, may Allah bless them with health & accept their forgiveness.
    As for those who are presently involved in this..plz don’t forget:”To err is human, to persist in err is develish”..develop will to change yourself.For that,atleast consider it an err, rather than to go about justifying that people of Lot & Pompeii were actually but Natural & should be respected instead!!

  37. hello; my comments r related to those who believe on Allah but they r gays. I would not say that since u people r gays so u r not muslims. it is not my job. but i would like to tell u that if u really believe in God and Quran then y u forgot that in Quran it is mentioned about a nation “Qaum-e- Loot” which was destroyed just because of this thing that those were Gays. If u don’t accept it as a truth then it means that u feel that Quran is lying (Nauzobillah). other thing is Allah created women to fulfill your desires with them in proper way (By getting marriage) even then if u r fulfilling your desires with other men then it means that u r rejecting a gift (women) given to us by Allah. dont u think it is not a good way to Thanks God for his gifts which he gave to us.

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  50. As i will say its only one thing people cant just understand..
    Is that its not writing in the quran that the homosexual is allowed then what next shall we say then..
    i think muslims should be following the islam and by reading the books from ALLAH can we know what is allowed or not..

    And i say if anybody things that its allowed to be a gay in islam then you are just fooling yourself..
    in my opinion is that muslims should read the quran and get to know GOD ALLAH better and then they will know what is the right and wrong..
    i think also the gays have there own self thinking because there are feeling diffrent..
    i think also u can love someone live with him but not to have sex with him…

    gays open your eyes and see we are in the end of this world…

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